Never Pay Day-Rate

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Never Pay Day-Rate

I’m currently reading Duncan Bannatyne’s book “Anyone can do it” and as would be expected he makes some very valid points.

“I can’t stress enough how important it is to agree fixed prices when agreeing deals with suppliers and contractors.” This is part of Bannatyne’s philosophy and he treats everyone the same, even solicitors. If he agrees a £25,000 fixed fee for handling a particular deal then that’s all they get, no matter if it takes them twice the amount of time they originally thought. “Why should a professional get paid more for being inefficient?”

I was talking about this with a bloke at work who mentioned that he’d commissioned a law firm to handle some small business for him. They priced the job and he asked them to put it in writing. After the job they put their bill in and it was for half as much again. When he questioned it they told him it had taken them 12 hours instead of the 8 hours they expected it to. He refused to pay it and they threatened to sue. He said, “Sue ahead. I’m not paying for your incompetence.” That was the last he heard from them, but how many people would have paid up?

When we moved into this house we wanted to put our own stamp on it. We agreed a day rate with our builder, Tommy. £150 for him, £100 each for his two Polish labourers/painters. It cost me twice as much as I expected, and I still don’t really know if he worked all the days he said he did, or if he had one or two labourers working every day.

I’ll never do it again. In the future I’ll agree a fixed price and will refuse to pay a day rate, and if it takes them longer than estimated, well tough titty. If they estimate it wrong, or they don’t work fast enough, or put enough blokes on the job, it’s their inefficiency, not mine. I will never again pay someone more money for being disorganised or incompetent.

There’s probably a lesson in there for all of us.

Good for you, regarding the first story. The second was kind of tricky, eh?
Richard L. Provencher
Duncan make yer grass grow ..
Just a personal opinion; I cannot bear nor can I abide Banatyne or any of his 'Dragon's Den' cronies.

 

Why not?

 

Their raison d'être is to charge people more for things than they are worth or to pay people less for things than they are worth. I think that this type of avarice is generally referred to as capitalism.

 

Raison d etre .. 2.99 in peckams deli section
Good answer, Scratch. I'm not so sure I agree, but it's a good answer. Bannatyne, from what I've read, certainly charged people more, but he offered better services; i.e. being one of the first to put en suites in care homes and swimming pools in gyms I've no grief with capitalism personally, but I do think that if Bannatyne was really charging more than they're worth for his services they'd all be empty, and he'd be out of business. People have the choice. If they felt they were being ripped off they'd use another facility.

 

Hi Karl. Please accept this post for what it is - just a post, that's all and subjective in its entirety. I read you last poem (posted today I think) http://www.abctales.com/story/karl-wiggins/miner and it is a pithy commentary on the deprived, exploited life lived by a child worker in one of the UK's mines. It is an excellent portrait of the everyday privations endured by millions of children throughout (and beyond) the industrial revolution. This revolution was driven by capitalism. The same ethos that drives the 'businessmen" who enjoy their moment in the sun on 'the Lion's Den'. I think that it is difficult to write a poem as you have done and then laud the very socio-economic philosophy that underpins the sentiment which you have sought to expose. You may see that this is something that I have been concerned about; http://www.abctales.com/story/scratch/ode-my-grandfather-4 Like I said, this is only a post and is not left as an attempt to provoke anger etc - it is after all only my subjective, unqualified opinion.

 

Good advice Karl to only pay what the original figure was. However, I imagine many people would just pay up on presentation of the bill merely out of fear of having to face legal proceedings which they can't afford to get involved with, even if the prices was agreed in writing. I am afraid it all boils down to the old story : money maketh money. Or put simply, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer. In fact, these days, the very rich get richer and everyone else gets poorer. Linda

Linda

Scratch, we're not going to fall out, and I can see the apparent contradiction in my poem and my admiration for successful business, which incidentally I'm crap at. I'm not blind to the fact that the shirt we buy down Brick Lane or Camden Market may well have been manufactured in a Vietnamese sweat box, where children are treated appallingly. Bannatyne spends a lot of his time in Romania where he heads up a charity, working closely with UNICEF. He describes truly horrifying conditions. There are still children living in sewers, and he's built a care home for them out there. I have no issue whatsoever with someone who offers a good service, builds a structure, sells a product and improves the quality of their own life in doing so. If we call that capitalism, then so be it. However, I'm a Health & Safety Manager, and I genuinely want everyone who enters our site in the morning to go home and see their families again that night. My poem, The Miner, is more about the health & safety issues. It wasn’t easy living in Victorian times, and thankfully things have greatly improved since those days. Having said all that, I can see what may appear to be contradictions, so thank you for pointing these out .

 

No problem Karl.