You reap what you sow!

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Tue, 2004-09-14 23:07

http://www.ukauthors.com/article8500.html(link is external)

"Everywhere I look, I see some terrible young man, in some appalling outfit, spouting hate and bitterness in a crude and ugly language of their own creation. They have taken once weighty words like ‘morality’, ‘freedom’, ‘love’, ‘truth’ and ‘justice’ and turned them into blunt weapons for beating each other senseless - thrashed them into a meaningless lexicon of clumsy posturing. "

Oops I seem to have changed "old man" into "young man".

"They shout and bawl and shoot at each other, and sometimes at the rest of us as well, if we‘re in the way."

Oh I just love that line! Shoot, I wish!

"When I was younger, I couldn’t get around as much, but where I did go, adults seemed to treat me respectfully, maybe even with a smile now and then. They also seemed to genuinely enjoy anything I made for them. I was always given encouragement, even though I dare say there was much room for improvement. If I was happy, it seemed to make them happy too. What’s more, if there was a problem, they would usually try to solve it in a cool and rational way. “Don’t worry,” they would say. "

Perhaps YOU were nicer then and not so blinkered to your peers feelings.

"Nowadays, I can expect to endure looks of contempt, or calculated disinterest, wherever I go. If I smile at someone at the train station, they will likely hug their possessions closer to them. I still like being creative, but today’s adults do not encourage me. They think it decidedly arrogant of me to expect someone else to even look at my work, and delight in telling me I have a long way to go before I can consider the possibility of someone enjoying it."

Are you truly surprised by their reactions?

Finally, everybody has to grow old. It is an obligotary part of living. How we get there is a journey, of which there are many turnings on the way.

Remember that when you next feel the need to discect the 'aged'. Reread your post as if written by an 'old person'. Could be talking of you and your attitude to your peers.

Thu, 2004-09-16 12:19

Hen

What's your one? Mine's a book of drawings by Japanese schoolgirls, and it's full of some mighty great pearls: "Standing on tip-toes, I saw a different world to usual. Maybe it's good to change your point of view." "Both boys and girls can be nasty at times. But there is no one who is a true evil, I believe. So don't tell me 'I hate him'. Be nice to each other." What it says on your book ("wisdom may only be obtained through experiences and experience may only be gained over time") may well be true, but that time could be just a few years, and those experiences could be very private, and internal.

Thu, 2004-09-16 12:24

John

I think the key word you use hear is 'could', but the quantitative evidence is that most people 'would', disagree with you're 'could'. As for what the rest of it means? Damed if i know what you're going on about Hen.

Fri, 2004-09-17 22:10

Katrina

Back off and leave Jay alone, she is a lady worthy of my respect. She is erudite and full of wisdom. She has endured life's worst and survived. I will always respect the lady and listen to her words of wisdom. PS...Jay are you really going on the X Factor? If si when will your heat be seen on the telly? Good luck (mummy). xx

Thu, 2004-09-16 12:36

Hen

Well, think about this. We can only hold a certain amount of data in our heads at any point - that's why we need maps, and tend to rely on generalisations. So I have to wonder whether you reach a point - possibly early on in your life - where you can no longer gain experience without losing some of it. So from then on, it just becomes a case of constantly reordering things, rather than packing more and more in. I personally don't feel more learned than I did half a decade ago. I've changed my mind about a lot of things, and had many of these 'experiences', but I don't feel like there's more of me. It's just a different field of play. And I doubt I'll ever feel like I'm actually wiser. I'll probably end up like my main men, Cohen and Vonnegut, not really feeling I understand any more when I'm old than when I do now. While those who *do* feel they've got it all sussed at 45 are (I'm inclined to believe,) those who've pretty much continuously felt they've got it sussed. Just my opinions like.

Thu, 2004-09-16 12:46

mississippi

You obviously dismissed my 'profit' as a typo, Jon. My recent attempts at humour have gone unrecognised. On Shelagh's 'Cherry Queue' thread I posted a 'clerihew' but it was answered with some pretty grim 'Limericks' indicating that my play with words went unnoticed. Ah well...

Thu, 2004-09-16 12:55

neil_the_auditor

Hen and me certainly agree on one thing; Leonard Cohen is ace! He doesn't make me want to slit my wrists, more like induces a fierce cynical misanthropic joy which I find hard to convey - maybe it's delving into my dark side to give the balance to all the cheerful christian stuff. I think listening to LC would be what the Bible calls "sowing to the flesh", and the reaping is my dichotomy of the soul and spirit, and it's not where I was at 45 five years ago! (and writing just makes it worse).

Thu, 2004-09-16 12:55

John

Yes but wisdom and understanding are not the some thing. The wise man knows that he understands nothing, when we referee to the essence of our being, Life and the ability to ask such questions as what am I? But for every day purposes, experiences is more resound with age, in my opinion and there is no end to taking in new information and growing in wisdom as a consequence to its exposure. Its really about how you use that information that determines how a person develops and grow in wisdom.

Thu, 2004-09-16 12:58

Liana

I prefer reading LC to listening to him... when i hear him, he has the same effect on me as bob dylan, which is to make me bang my head down on the nearest flat hard surface, then lift it and bang it down again. Several times.

Thu, 2004-09-16 13:02

#10

John

Same hear on the Dylan thing! *Gangs head down on the mear thoght of it*

Tue, 2004-09-21 21:21

#11

Jeff Prince

"she" and "fact" are not verbs and as such cannot be conjugated.

Thu, 2004-09-16 13:03

#12

John

"Gangs"!! Bangs head down in dispare!

Thu, 2004-09-16 13:05

#13

Flashy

you've got a thing about gangs today John.

Fri, 2004-09-17 23:29

#14

Hen

She won't be if she keeps bashing her head on the table!

Thu, 2004-09-16 13:09

#15

John

Flashy, I've go something wrong with me to day. I think me spell checker is Dyslexic?

Wed, 2004-09-15 00:43

#16

Hen

Oh, Kat. You really are a moron, just like Tim said. The article you're quoting was satirical. The voice is *supposed* to be wrong. The point I was trying to make, very clumsily, was that judging an entire group of people by the worst examples of their behaviour is absurd. You might well have guessed that by the fact that I end it by claiming the only point adults exist is to serve their masters, the children. Or you might have guessed it by reading my responses to comments at the bottom. Or perhaps by the fact that I say at the start of the article "Don't worry. It's tongue in cheek." Or maybe by the fact that I claim at various points in the article to being a 'child' when I am, legally, an adult. Or perhaps by.... well, never mind. Thanks for the free publicity. It's a shite article, but at least it's afforded me some humour.

Thu, 2004-09-16 13:14

#17

Flashy

I always miss out small words forming sentences, i beginning to think it's some sort of word blindness.

Thu, 2004-09-16 13:20

#18

John

Could be Flash, most people tend to do it depending on how rushed they are. For me, i could be moving slower than a turtle fart and still spell John as Johan.. God, now i think I'm a prophet!

Sat, 2004-09-18 01:21

#19

Jay

Katrina I was out most of the day yesterday so haven't put my computer on till now thanks so much for being so supportive of me even had to look up that word erudite and wow what a lovely supprise when I did. No my love I will not be going on the X Factor just a bit of fun really but didn't do a bad job keeping a few people gessing sorry one of them had to be you hope I'm forgiven. About the two you were giving me your support from well Hen I knew would come back at me so no supprise there but Rokkitnite I have never put words to but no worries because as far as I am concerned he is just jumping on Hens band wagon and both are no more than flys buzzing round you and you know what you do when that happens you swat them and in no time you have forgotten they even existed because fact is they don't anymore. Do take care Katrina and always stay as nice as you are. xxx

Tue, 2004-09-21 22:56

#20

Rokkitnite

'"she" and "fact" are not verbs and as such cannot be conjugated.' My mother said much the same about "badgers" and "monkeys", but I showed her! I conjugated them all right!

Sat, 2004-09-18 10:07

#21

humanrite

I suspect a split personality here. Sybil Dorsett meet Sybil Dorsett [%sig%]

Tue, 2004-09-21 23:06

#22

Jeff Prince

You're quite right, Rokkit; "badger" can be conjugated, of course. "monkey" can too, in the compound verb "to monkey around".

Tue, 2004-09-21 23:25

#23

Flash

Jeff you're very bright for a sneakwort ram fondler.

Wed, 2004-09-22 00:00

#24

mississippi

Tim knows his conjugal rights Matt, there's no flies on him!

Wed, 2004-09-22 01:42

#25

Rokkitnite

Flies are too small to successfully conjugate.

Wed, 2004-09-22 10:28

#26

mississippi

Zippa a de do dah.

Sun, 2004-09-19 19:31

#27

mississippi

Isn't Hungary becoming a hot-bed of dissenting trolls? Unless of course, they are all the same diminuitive little chappie! A quick check on IP 193.6.138.---, as used by 'follower' and 'humanrite' returns the folling info; CountryID<111> Country RegionID <2076> Region CityID <4002> City Location Code And as 'truthurts' also uses a Hungarian tag, and Hungary doesn't figure large in the ABC firmament, I assume that he/she is the same personality challenged saddo. Have I missed any?

Sun, 2004-09-19 19:40

#28

Hen

Oh God. I try to turn the thread towards worthwhile discussion and it gets taken over by the fossils. "Eh? Howzat? Did you just call me a fruitcake?" "No." "Why, you little whippersnapper! The young these days! Only have ears for themselves." "Don't worry, dearier. We all love you here at the home. Have a cup of arsenic." "Thank you, dear Katrina. So kind. So unlike these young tearaways."

Thu, 2004-09-16 16:21

#29

Jay

Hen my words were "Talk round it discuss it even" now does that sound like not being fair and disallowing people to talk about something they haven't experienced, I am experiencing some lost of memory now but don't think I have ever answered a thread of yours and the first time I do and agree with something you said you can't get my words right example above also your answer. Its only now I am begining to see why most on here have problems with what you write at times and I know this has nothing to do with it but my youngest son has just come to stay with me for a short time and it didn't take me long to find out that he either talks over you or at!! you all the time and can't see it which is why I can see now that I haven't ever answered one of your threads before because that is precisely how you come across even though you have tempered it a bit lately most is still there. Concerning ages meaning young and old with you, this sometime ago now was pointed out to me and although I listened I just thought at the time give the young man a chance but find now I was wrong and they were right when they said don't get involved as you will be bashing your head well you know the rest because as I see it you are exactly like my son only here one voice Yours!! and even though you have got better its still there and you can't help yourself but after all that and know I don't really! know you I feel sure and not suggesting it should happen but if that was corrected somehow I feel like my son you would make me so incensed at times but feel I could still like you and thats not saying you would want me to but I felt like saying it...

Sun, 2004-09-19 20:03

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Andrea

Er...haven't I seen that post of yours elsewhere, George? Checking IPs is not diff, you know - we really don't need a lesson. '...personality challenged saddo...' Pot calling the kettle, perhaps?

Sun, 2004-09-19 20:17

#31

Katrina

Andrea when you can meet the challenge of truth, then maybe you can challenge another person. Are you up for the truth to be heard ONCE AND FOR ALL? I dare you to take the gauntlet up and answer me. You know what the questions are. PS should you decide to have 'the balls' to discuss in public what you iterated to me in in private, then and only then will you have the right to call "Pot calling the kettle, perhaps?" In other words 'Put up or Shut'!

Sun, 2004-09-19 21:20

#32

Andrea

Sorry, AJ, I have no idea what you mean. However, *do* get it off your chest, by all means, if it'll make you feel better. Watch those copyright infringements though, won't you? Anything that was said that any reasonable person would understand to be priviliged informtion, would be treated as libel in the normal course of business, and the invitation to post what you will, in no way limits your liability. I strongly advise that you consult Tony Cook before you even think about posting private and confidential correspondence on a public forum. We are not inviting you to post any private conversations, as that is what we consider them to be. However, if you think this is proper practice and would further your cause in some way, than do please feel free. However, I feel that I must warn you that UKA , Boho Press and Bluechrome Publishing and any other individuals who you defame, will be entitled to sue. Please be prepared for legal consequences.

Sun, 2004-09-19 21:22

#33

richard

best start a new thread AJ call it 'AJ brings UKA down' so much for offering to help ya set up your new writers site :(

Sun, 2004-09-19 21:24

#34

Mykle

What a pair of seriously sad, childish, grudge bearing, bores you and George are Katrina! Do the world a favour and have a quick affair so that you can spend the rest of your lives slagging each other off and spare the rest of us your UKA hate campaign and other assorted bile.

Sun, 2004-09-19 22:00

#35

Mykle

Sorry, Katrina! I wrote my earlier post when I thought that it was just another case of your continued, pointless, UKA bashing - that everyone is sick to death of - but having just read the posts from Andrea and Richard I can see there may be more to it than that. I’m not a fan of the tactics employed by you and Missi but I apologise for jumping to conclusions and assuming this was just another of your venomous, slur campaigns. I’m still inclined to think it is though...

Sun, 2004-09-19 22:03

#36

Hen

Yeah. That conclusion hardly requires much jumping to. Maybe a small babystep.

Sun, 2004-09-19 22:06

#37

Liana

*yawn*

Sun, 2004-09-19 22:27

#38

Hen

*yawn* In't it weird how that happens?

Wed, 2004-09-15 13:47

#39

Oliver Wendell ...

The young man thinks the old man is a fool, but the old man KNOWS that the young man is a fool.

Thu, 2004-09-16 17:34

#40

Rokkitnite

Christ Jay, have you never heard of a full stop? 'And then... and then... and then...' It's like listening to a five year old telling you what he did at school. At least you've bridged the age gap! :o)

Sun, 2004-09-19 22:41

#41

neil_the_auditor

I've no idea what all the above is about and maybe, like Liana, I should just yawn and consider it pathetic, but I'm a bit shocked to see Andrea coming on here and threatening people with libel, and I'm disgusted with the whole tone of the posting. I expect editors of writing sites to be a bit bigger than that; are you REALLY interested in promoting literature or is it all a big ego trip and someone's just rattled your playpen? Which is sad because I never knock the writing on UKA, a lot of it's really good and the technology side is impressive, but your touchiness and self-importance damage the thing you try to promote.

Thu, 2004-09-16 17:39

#42

Flashy

That wasn't very Rokkit........are you pining for something? Your behaviour has been very odd lately. Grecoesque in fact.

Sun, 2004-09-19 22:52

#43

Hen

Yawning as a way to imply contempt is at least as bad as getting sucked into the argument at hand. And if libel is the only way to get a rabid monkey off your back, why not? Playing nice doesn't wash with these kids, Neil.

Thu, 2004-09-16 17:40

#44

Flashy

That wasn't very nice Rokkit........are you pining for something? Your behaviour has been very odd lately. Grecoesque in fact.

Sun, 2004-09-19 22:58

#45

eyesofaneagle

It wasn't posted for your benefit, I'd have thought you would have had your hands full trying to keep your own asylum afloat, especially with handicaps like Dumbdick, Mykle, Commissars Gardiner & Grief and Jack Cade. I get the distinct impression of late that it's going into freefall. I notice your renowned loyalty to your members has led to the departure of one of the most harmless users UKAwful ever had. If you're so knowledgeable about IP checking you'll also know that they are never accurate, just a pointer. Mykle seems to be making a hobby out of shouting his stupid mouth off only to feel obliged to apologise when he realises he has jumped the gun. And the irritating kid seems to follow anyone around that espouses his own feelings.

Sun, 2004-09-19 23:19

#46

Mykle

So far as I remember, George, I have only apologised once before on the threads and that was for confusing your posting as Mrs Stone (purporting to be Hen's mum regretting his birth) with Henstoat's Mother (which in retrospect was probably Katrina/AJ). It seems you are still using pseudonyms to spout your deranged delusions - despite continually attacking others for doing the same.... same old, same old. [%sig%]

Sun, 2004-09-19 23:53

#47

Hen

Since when was an apology a sign of weakness anyhow? Everyone makes mistakes. People with guts own up to them.

Sun, 2004-09-19 23:56

#48

Katrina

Firstly Mykle I have never trolled as anybody's mother, especially cockweasels. Richard as I recall I have NEVER decried you for anything. I have always had the utmost respect for you until now! Why is it everytime I have a spat with Andrea you jump in and defend UKA, when you KNOW it isn't UKA I have the dispute with? It is not UKA that offends me. Andrea, you challenge me to get it off my chest, yet you threaten me with legal action should I do so. May I remind you that you are not in charge of ABC, and as such are not in the position to use your dictitorial methods on this site. It appears that you are concerend with our private chats and e-mails, so much so that you bring in the big guns to threaten me. I know that you are aware that I archive everything , however I would not jeopordise ABC, by publishing (on this site) any material deemed to be libelous. Forgive me if I am wrong but surely libel is "(publishing of) written etc statement damaging to person's reputation; false defamatory statement; defame falsely; misrepresent mailciously". Now you have answered my challenge, simply by your threatening comments. You would not have had to take these steps had I been without just cause. Thank you Andrea......

Mon, 2004-09-20 00:05

#49

Hen

Here's another gem from 'I am Me': "The rain which falls onto my heart is slightly warm and very sad." Mita, age 12

Thu, 2004-09-16 18:01

#50

John

>I've 'go' something wrong with me to day< Now had i added 'man' on the end of this, you would have thought me Afro Caribbean! I don't speak like this you know.. *Attacks Dictionary in a furious fit of frustration*

Mon, 2004-09-20 01:33

#51

Mykle

True Libel - Can I libel you by telling the truth? A defamatory statement either: lowers the plaintiff in the estimation of right-thinking members of society generally (Sim v Stretch (1936)); or causes him to be shunned or avoided; or is to a person's discredit (Youssoupoff v MGM (1934)). Strictly, a libel is a defamatory statement to which there is no defence. A libel is, therefore, a narrower notion than a defamatory statement Truth (justification) is a complete defence in defamation It follows that a defamatory statement which is proved to be true is not a libel. It can remain defamatory. If a statement is held to be: non-defamatory and false - the court finds against the claimant non-defamatory and true - the court finds against the claimant. (Although if a court finds a statement to be non-defamatory, it would not go on then to investigate its truth.) defamatory and false - the court finds for the claimant *unless* a recognised defence can be proved defamatory and true - the court finds against the claimant [%sig%]

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