The Tragedy of Albert E

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The Tragedy of Albert E

http://www.abctales.com/node/554720

notes: it's a cherry-picked "poem" of mine

Wouldn't you rather discuss someone else's work? No? I thought not, you don't change do you?

 

Posting up one's own cherried poems does seem a trifle bazaar, or am I in a cakey mirage?
A trifle bazaar? OK, I'll take two sherry and one plain. Sean isn't bazaar or even bizarre, he's just a self-centred guy who can't see further than the end of his own pen, and he's been doing it ever since he arrived here many moons ago.

 

LOL Forgive me for trying not to die one more innovative individual unknown in his own lifetime.
"If I send you post-cards from the side of the road: photographs of movies, and hearts about to implode"  -  Elliott Smith
Forgive you? You have my eternal pity.

 

Aside from emphatically lacking the power of eternity, you have a bizzare and ineffective way of showing your pity. In reality, I see far beyond my pen, beyond monetary fish guts, beyond race, beyond the die roll of chance, and beyond quite a bit more. I have however, as is the trend of the time for moral and intelligent people, not been over-fortunate. Frankly, there's nothing rational or decent I could say that would be a response to your comments.
"If I send you post-cards from the side of the road: photographs of movies, and hearts about to implode"  -  Elliott Smith
Aside from the fact that you can't spell, (I showed you how to spell 'bizarre', but as usual you take no notice of your betters), everybody lacks the power of eternity, though you challenge that all the time with your persistent efforts to thrust your poor writing in everyone's face. You also fool yourself with your claims of morality and intelligence. You've been told before that it's not really acceptable to promote your own work on the forum, if it is any good, others would do that for you. Now why don't you take notice and concentrate on discussing the work of others, and you never know, they might just reciprocate. I agree however that you haven't been fortunate, but rather cursed with the inability to see yourself as others do. I also agree there's nothing rational you could say in reponse to my post as you're not a rational person. It's not necessary to SHOW pity, I just feel it, in increasing quantities!

 

Basically, Misisipi is fostering a TV Court atmosphere, not a thoughtful forum. Occasionally bringing pieces of my work to the attention of the ABC tales community is no rudeness. I did so in the hope that somebody might benefit from and appreciate them. If nobody responds to a post, it fades away. Now in response to your personal comments, I'll point out that over the years numerous people(including the site editors) have excitedly brought up my work on this very forum. Secondly, Shakespeare would often spell the same word three ways in one play. While I don't try to follow suit, precise spelling is not exactly the soul of creativity.
"If I send you post-cards from the side of the road: photographs of movies, and hearts about to implode"  -  Elliott Smith
Highlighting your own works so that people can "benefit from and appreciate them"....? Not to learn anything about your self/ your writing? Blimey, I _am_ in a trifle bazaar. Can I have two trifles please?
* Occasionally bringing pieces of my work to the attention of the ABC tales community * Yes, but they are the ONLY pieces you EVER bring to anyone's attention. * ..have excitedly brought up my work .. * I can see how regurgitating your work might be exciting, though better not to swallow it in the first place. Re Spelling etc. Shakespeare is excused on the basis that he was a genius. You however, are not.

 

I thought you were over-fortunate for once to get a cherry for that poem Sean, not that it was bad in itself but a disregard for rules of capitalisation and punctuation woul have disqualified it for me. But what do you expect from bean-counters turned poets?
As for my choices in punctuation and capitalization, I do know the standard rules; I have a B.A. in English and Literature from Southern Oregon University. As far as following the poetry of other members of my e-communities, I've been far from perfect. However, when somebody shows a consistent interest in my poetry, I always read and try to dig some of theirs... almost always with success. Then I have huge gratitude for everyone who makes ABC Tales possible. SALAWM (arabic for peace)
"If I send you post-cards from the side of the road: photographs of movies, and hearts about to implode"  -  Elliott Smith
Oh, I see now. You only put yourself out if someone shows consistent interest in YOU first ! A pity USO didn't teach you any social graces, though if you're a good example of their English Lang & Lit degrees, I guess you already have those. If you know the standard rules, (whether for English or life), perhaps it would be wise to follow them. TESTICLES (English for bollocks)

 

"If nobody responds to a post, it fades away." That's not necessarily true. I put up a portion of my novel around two years ago. I didn't post a link to it, and it didn't receive a cherry award until about a month ago. Files may age but words never die.
I agree with Neil Mc on the capitalisation. You can bend the rules in poetry but you have to do so consistently. This seems totally random, is off-putting and just looks lazy. As for the poem, it is okay, not my usual cup of tea. I don't get all the historical references, which may say something about me rather than the poem. For example, if I wanted to say something about pleasure as the highest goal, I'd try and do it in a slightly more interesting way than throwing in a reference to the Epicureans. Using the Epicureans' garden to get the reader to think about pleasure is a bit like using the word 'Sanskrit' to get the reader to think about language. (see gen diss forum!) I did quite like the second stanza though especially the 'the quiet mathematics of mouse stalking' jude "Cacoethes scribendi" http://www.judesworld.net

 

Jude never seems to have a bad word to say about anyone. Unlike _others_ on here. Bless her cottons.
Hey, this is fun. Who needs to read any of the posts when there's the forums for entertainment?
Well, Epicurus is a rather misunderstood thinker, and one whose ideas I feel are extremely relevant to this age. He was not an advocate of immoderate pleasure. Perhaps above all, he recommended thoughtful retreat from the mainstream world. This was my reference: A person with Einstein's abilities could have made a quiet, productive way in the world without sharing dangerous ideas with a society unready to peacably mangage them. a.b., no disrespect, but I didn't make this post for TV court entertainment. I simply wanted to share a piece of literature which I labored to create. Salawm (arabic for Peace)
"If I send you post-cards from the side of the road: photographs of movies, and hearts about to implode"  -  Elliott Smith
Actually, it should read "Salaam" as the 'a' is lengthened in the back of the throat, unlike 'aw' which is a more nasally-derived vowel-sound. The more correct way to say it would be 'Salaam aleikum' (Peace be with you). Nice poem btw.
ArcherGirl, having many Saudi friends at Portland State University, I'm aware of the correct pronunciation of their word for "Peace." I'm also aware that the quickest way to impart an approximate pronunciation to a reader is: "Salawm" Now, how about them Dodgers, or the price of rabbit feed in Bangladesh, or... that poem about Einstein?
"If I send you post-cards from the side of the road: photographs of movies, and hearts about to implode"  -  Elliott Smith
I'm afraid I'm with Neil and Jude on this one, the random capitalisation and lack of punctuation ruled out a cherry from me (good for you that they are subjective eh?) I also find the flagging of your own piece rather self-centred as I have yet to see you flag anyone elses. However, having just completed an English degree myself I am quite interested to hear your reasons for disregarding the 'standard' rules, do you not see that it makes what could be a reasonable poem seem shoddy and amateurish?
I'm generally quite happy with no caps at all. I sometimes do that myself. The random caps thing is annoying from the reader's point of view but not all poets care very much about the reader. The poem is the usual stuff that Sean writes. As Missi says, he been writing similar things for a long time. "ArcherGirl, having many Saudi friends at Portland State University, I'm aware of the correct pronunciation of their word for "Peace."" I don't think the Saudis own the word, Sean. And I don't think they pronounce it your way in Leicester.

 

I don't mind no caps at all but this is more than just annoying, I don't think it helps the poet communicate. Why does Newton get a capital but poor old Aristotle doesn't? Seeing them so close together makes me think this must be deliberate; this must signify something; but I'm damned if I can work out what the heck it is! Is there a reason for this Sean and I'm just being dumb?

 

I'm not going to respond to inquiries from people who call me things like "self-centred," though otherwise I'd be happy to. For the record, I have flagged a number of poems, including one by Archergirl, and rebuffed an individual who often flagged mine when he he made an anti-semitic comment(I'm not Jewish.) If you look at my writing with an open mind, you'll see that much of it is very thoughtful, carefully crafted, and joyously reflects the spirit of this age's youth. And of course, some of it's slapdash, mediocre, etc. I will, as Poetjude's been nice enough, comment on why I gave Newton a capital and not Aristotle. I basically try to reserve capitals for emphasis, as I believe Dickensen did in the actual manuscripts. A key-board is too limited an instrument of expression to follow restrictions on its use. In my opinion, requiring the active thought of the reader is just what separates poetry from prose... though of course that's a matter of degree, not nature. So my not capitalizing Aristotle isn't any sort of dismissal of an intellectual who's had a mammoth impact on the world. Incidentally, though, the now obscure Epicurus was more renowned among the ancient Greeks and with myself. Though I don't admire Newton, I feel he looms large as a symbol of laboratory-limited science and wanton technocracy. Salaawm, Sean
"If I send you post-cards from the side of the road: photographs of movies, and hearts about to implode"  -  Elliott Smith
Anyone know the correct arabic pronounciation of ' tosser'?
Sean Nelson?

 

I agree cath_carr. Blaming the keyboard and/or the reader for unwelcome interpretations of one's poem does seem a little lame. Adam Phillips said something like "We are not misunderstood: we are just understood in ways we don't like". He's right.
I would agree with seannelson that name-calling is not exactly constructive criticism. His reasons for not punctuating a certain way are valid enough; who writes the rules of poetry, after all? That it doesn't conform to the eye or preferences of others is rather beside the point, as Bukharin notes. However, sean, you shouldn't post your work up if you have trouble with others' reactions to it. It's a 'head above the turret' risk you take, and this *is* a public forum, not a love-in!
His head and ego are so large they won't lower below the turret! 'Name calling' as you describe it is subjective. He dislikes being called 'self-centred' because it offends his view of himself, (check out the superlatives he uses to describe his own work), those that use the phrase do so because that is EXACTLY how they see him. It isn't name calling, but justified and accurate description.

 

You're all mis-understanding me... but thankfully, some of you are doing so in a Civilized, intelligent way! "I'm well aware" should be my motto. I'm aware that I flagged my own poem and this isn't high etiquette. I'm also aware that this is a public forum where random people say whatever they feel like. I could do the same, subtly or directly. But why? I simply want to share beautiful and Peaceful poetry. I take creating my poetry seriously... and I've found Numerous readers on numerous websites. I write poetic, political letters to the editors of various newspapers; For the latter, I've made my way onto the Bush administration's no-fly list, though I've never mentioned violence. And if I'm a little self-promotional, I'm not an egotist talking to hear my own voice. I'm for re-distributing wealth around the world, getting back to nature, and Cultivating peace and humaternity whenever possible. I'm just one poetic wave in the great Rising tide of liberty! I don't work in a bank and spend my days obeying some authoritarian, or spend ten minutes picking out a fashionable outfit. I'm a wild Man and I'm comfortable with this! I read and write poetry that engages me with the world... not protects me from it. I just lived in rural Thailand for six months, feasting and living with farmers and fisher-folk. If I were in England, I'd be paling around with cockneys and working people. So basically, in response to all this criticism: I Don't Care!!
"If I send you post-cards from the side of the road: photographs of movies, and hearts about to implode"  -  Elliott Smith
{ I simply want to share beautiful and Peaceful poetry. I take creating my poetry seriously... and I've found Numerous readers on numerous websites. } Mmmmmm, Love the Random Capitalisation in your post just There ^ There is no reason for it in your Poem either is There? It was An accident wasn't it? Well done. The First rule of literature is to Bluff your way through. You can't fool all of the people all of the time alas. Still, the debate is keeping your poem (small p) at the rop of the forum . Yay for you!
my, my what a surprise, archergirl defending someone who flagged up one of her stories once upon a time, would you Adam and Eve it?
By the way Mr _America's next greatest writer_ , if I were you I would have taken self-centred as a compliment, there are sure a load more names that I could think of that are much more fitting and not only the 'tosser' that has already been mentioned. I would suggest a return to education and this time try to pay attention in class, (you may also consider asking for a refund cos believe me I know 6-7 year olds with a better grasp of grammar and punctuation than yourself!)
Shouldn't that be tosser with a capital T?
"Mr. America's next greatest writer?" You said it; I sure as heck never did. I'm very happy with what I've accomplished in creative writing; It's been a long path of hard work. I don't want fame or riches; I just wanna chill in the garden with the good Samaritan epicureans. But I really get disgusted with how slow so many people are to open their hearts and minds! That's why all these people like Buddha, Christ, and Socrates have been necessary. It's why mythology is full of dragons hoarding jewels, because people don't want to admit that it's they who pass Lazarus every day. As Jes. said, it's the inside of the cup that should be kept clean, not the outside. As Bob Marley said, "we should really love each other, instead we're fussing and fighting, like we ain't supposed to do." And I don't care what you call me. It's petty, meaningless. Pigeons will shat and dogs will have their day.
"If I send you post-cards from the side of the road: photographs of movies, and hearts about to implode"  -  Elliott Smith
Oh, Saggy love, still moping in your dreary fag-stunk bedsit? I don't need to 'defend' seannelson; he's doing well enough on his own. I *do*, however, appreciate his attitude, which, unlike yours, is at least open and honest. If he wants to punctuate a certain way, so what? That he flagged a poem of mine once upon a time is irrelevant, as are your opinions... *raspberry*
* ..You're all mis-understanding me.. * No,no,no! It's YOU that doesn't understand. You're an egotistical fucking bore. Now what part of that don't YOU understand? * ..I simply want to share beautiful and Peaceful poetry... * If that's the case why do you insist on banging on about your own?

 

Dear me you yanks really do have your heads so incredibly far up your own arses, Sean isn't being 'open and honest' just seriously deluded about his own talent and worth, other people are just saying it how it is, his writing, punctuation etc is shit! Is that open and honest enough for YOU frizzhead?
"I don't work in a bank and spend my days obeying some authoritarian, or spend ten minutes picking out a fashionable outfit." I suggest you have a go, it would probably make your writing a hell of a lot more interesting.

 

I'm new to abctales. Is it always this unfriendly and shouty here? Only if it is I think I'm going to go away again.
Hi cj and welcome, it does often get rather loud round these parts, the best way to deal with posts you don't like is to simply ignore them. That said it's not real life, just an alternate cyberworld where highly strung artist types post and debate on every subject imaginable. Stick around for a while, post some stories and have a read of others, the forums aren't the be all and end all of ABC!
'If I were in England, I'd be paling around with cockneys and working people.' I can't stop laughing. Really, that's the funniest thing I've seen in months... I can't believe I missed it the first time. Ha ha ha gor blimey guvnor etc. Welcome cj, camus is right.
Thanks for the welcome and the inside info, camus. I think I'm going to tread pretty warily here. If I were on the receiving end of some of the stuff I've read here I think my confidence would be irreparably damaged. Cheers.
It is true, cj, that these forums are not for the weak-hearted or the thin-skinned. The best advice is to not take *anything* said on here, no matter how egregiously wrong or insulting or ridiculous, personally. Saggy, my hair *is* frizzy; I use all sorts of products to keep it smooth, but, alas, it has a mind of its own. Thanks for noticing. No doubt you were glaring at my photo in envy of my stunning and incandescent beauty. I know, dear, it has that effect on many people. Yanks don't necessarily have their heads up their arses; what we *do* have is a culture of self-assertion and stating one's achievements (no matter how dubious). It is the polar opposite to the very British self-deprecation, where one is not allowed to be proud, nor state that one is proud, of anything they do, less they be thought of as unseemly. Pip pip!
'If I were in England, I'd be paling around with cockneys and working people.' It's important not to confuse the two. *runs away*

 

LOL!
"It is the polar opposite to the very British self-deprecation, where one is not allowed to be proud, nor state that one is proud, of anything they do, less they be thought of as unseemly." This is right, up to a point, about British culture in general but personally I quite like brash, self-assured people when they really are good at what they do. From that point of view, I think we have something to learn from... er... you guys! The problem is that Sean demonstrates the 'culture of self-assertion' at its worst (at least, for the person doing the self-asserting). The more he tries to explain himself, the more he gives the impression that he's a strereotypical American deluded buffoon. His heart may in the right place but the one-liners are irresistable: "It's why mythology is full of dragons hoarding jewels, because people don't want to admit that it's they who pass Lazarus every day. " Come on!

 

"You're an egotistical fucking bore." - Misisipi "The more he tries to explain himself, the more he gives the impression that he's a strereotypical American deluded buffoon." - bukharin etc. "Dear me you yanks really do have your heads so incredibly far up your own arses, ... his writing, punctuation etc is shit!" - saggyhair Talk about some eloquent, cultured one-liners. I would never judge the English people by this bullocks. The only reason I've even been wasting my energy on this thread is that I'm ill and housebound... and thus have time on my hands. Thanks, Archergirl, for your kind words on a thread where I'm so unpopular; It shows character. As Ghandi encouraged, I've given up the need to defend myself. "I" am not of much importance. What importance my writing has stems from the lessons I've labored to learn, like a fisherman or a milk-maid, from the larger world, and from the long labor of word-smithing. I leave you with an old African proverb: "When the grass is cut, the snakes will show." The same goes for tossers.
"If I send you post-cards from the side of the road: photographs of movies, and hearts about to implode"  -  Elliott Smith
* "When the grass is cut, the snakes will show." The same goes for tossers * How else did we spot you? * . what we *do* have is a culture of self-assertion and stating one's achievements (no matter how dubious). It is the polar opposite to the very British self-deprecation, where one is not allowed to be proud,... * Well that's maybe how YOU'D like to see it but others see it differently. What some Americans have is an irrestible urge to exaggerate every detail of their 'achievements' in the hopes of impressing those around them. You're completely wrong about the British not allowing themselves pride, they just don't generally feel the need to keep shouting about it. They also don't feel so inferior as to keep bragging about things that Brits take for granted, which is one of the reasons that YOUR constant bragging, rather than boosting your street cred among Brits, makes you look a complete idiot and exposes your lack of self-esteem. It's people like Nelson that give Americans a bad name.

 

Oh, whew, for a minute there I thought you were referring to me, Missi. As far as arrogance goes, I would say, "Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone." There's not one amongst us who is innocent; this forum reeks of cultural and moral superiority, and it's not just the Yanks who are guilty. So give it a rest with the witch-hunt, why don't you.

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