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Censorship

I recently posted a piece that a person close to me approached me and questioned me mental wellbeing and general emotional health over. I of course during the process of writing it, wrung my hands delightedly and perhaps clapped a 'Brava' as it was finished. I was a little offended and told them that it was purely literature.
"Don't try and censor me!" I protested jokingly.

Has anyone come across an issue like this and if so what are peoples opinion on how much is perhaps too much.

Dan.

I think it partly has to do with the reader-author relationship. As a reader, when you feel connected to a piece of writing you often feel connected to the author like you know them, and in the instance that you don't like what they've written you feel like you should give them a call and tell them what you think. Luckily for writers it's pretty rare that you can contact them. However in your case the person knows you and as they're reading, unless they're a very experienced reader, they probably imagine you during the reading process. It's really hard to separate the two. On top of that the person knows you well and therefore does have access to you, hence the feeling you are being "censored". As a writer you're mental well being needs to be a little off balance anyway so don't take their comment to heart! Keep writing and stay true to yourself!

 

I think a good writer has to be similar in part to a good actor. Convincing enough so as to feel real. I agree completely with the difficulty seperating me from my writing as it was read by this person close to me. I know I have a bugbear and writhe visibly when a character I am reading about slips from their well outlined character traits and you can just feel yourself squirming and thinking that it's not right, they would never... So to be authentic sometimes you also have to forget (or slightly ignore) about the few that have the sensitive sensibilities and just push on with the story.
Hi Dan, Fortunately I have not experienced this but perhaps through fear of such a reaction I have censored myself as far as ABCtales is concerned. I thought long and hard before posting "Behind the Vestry Door" and i have never been brave enough to post a poem about a paedophile called "The Seven Ages of a Sick, Perverted man." Similarly, albeit for different reasons, I have never felt able to publish on this site "Thoughts on Dying." If a line comes to me and I can see it heading towards contentious ground i won't stop writing, I just don't post it. The opening to the first part of my novella is fairly strong but I felt it needed to be told in that way to set the tone. I have a poem in progress at the moment that deals with South Sea islanders catching and eating porpoises - I've had my doubts about continuing with it because, although based on true events, some might find the notion offensive. I guess this rambling doesn't do much but highlight that writing can always be contentious. i would however agree completely with Maggy's final comment. Kheldar :--)

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http://www.abctales.com/story/danrama/dangerous-neighbour This is the piece I am actually referring to Kheldar. On a similar vein to what you refer with your piece "Behind the Vestry Door". I have found that as you state sometimes you need to have a certain amount of impact with sections of work that seem over the top to some and necessary to the writer. I find that it can be these points of impact that can also make or break certain works. Too over the top and the reader can be turned off the story. Sometimes though if its not enough then it feels weak and betrays the depth of the work. I cannot remember who but a Japanese film maker once said something along the lines of: "The better the tragedy the more intense the film" possibly Tsui Hark.. Dont quote me. Dan
I apolagise I meant to say "The Seven Ages of a Sick, Perverted man." not in fact "Behind the Vestry Door" in my previous post. Dan
Hi dan, have read the poem in question and I think another issue it highlights is the fear I also have that as a writer writing about someone else "in the first person" that the reader may feel the views expressed are my own and not that of the character. In your poem you are an actor taking on a part, in the same way Anthony Hopkins, for example, takes on the part of a cannabilistic serial killer. Perhaps that is the writers curse, not only do we play the role but we also write the script. People like your character exist in reality, as writers we can look at their motivations without condoning them. Regards, Kheldar

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Hi Kheldar, I must also confess a fear of a reader 'pidgeon holing' me once they read a certain type of work from me. I would like to think my writing is more dynamic than that. In all fairness I should give readers more credit and allow them the variety of my work. This is the fantastic thing about ABC. A chance for writers to test the waters with some of their more contraversial work. I have taken that chance with a few pieces and it has certainly shown me broad range of opinions. He who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life - Cassius Clay Dan
Ha! Larkin the first work of yours that i read was "Zombie sex" :D All I can say after I read that is here is a writer who does not take himself too seriously and seeing you are a prolific poster I am glad I took the time to read more of your work. You do have moments of shock and I myself being an interminable Brian Lumley fan enjoy things of a more visceral nature at times. I have enjoyed a lot of your work and for myself, 'eat pray love' styles of writing are just not for me. Like music some days I listen to Baroque Bach or one of Mozart's Requiem and write poetry... and other days can be far different. You are a writer after my own heart Larkin. Kudos. Kudos to you and censors be damned. Dan
I just got a complete works of Lewis Carroll out of a charity shop and, reading it, I wondered whether the day might come when Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass might be censored or banned given the controversy over Lewis Carroll.
"I've always found censorship more amusing than troublesome. If one is offended by a work...one should consider that the work had at least the value of being offensive" Definately agree with this. I was in year five in primary school. My story was about criminals slaughtering each other in a macabre race to earn one year of freedom. The teacher actually burned my literature as if to exorcise the demons from my uncouth work :D (no it was not even a religious school we are talking a public affair.) I wrote the most nauseating story of dolphins and mermaids frolicking under strict instructions not to write filth. It amused me that what they then praised was actually my mockery of their lack of open mindedness. That was my personal realisation that I had the ability to shock.... and appease, and call myself a writer.
'Alice' is one crazy trip well-wisher :D Let's hope the days of Stalinesque style book burning witch hunts are over. Libracide I think is dying out. More banned books across the world are hitting shelves once more and works that where once deemed filth / evil are now being handed out to students to study. I would like to think Lewis Carrol is like that dusty old church and is protected as our literary heritage. I would like to think so anyway...
Here free to post solong as its certified properly and maybe a warning at the top waht it might be that could upset someone Most important though I think now riter should feel they cannot post their work for worry it may be criticesed if it is honest and understandable no one should have a problem or if they know they wont like it dont read it. Honesty is free written opinion and some people post personal things I do and get mostly good comments, if someone dont like it ignore them Simples ;) K

"I will make sense with a few reads \^^/ "

I discovered the comments to be very well thought out with passionate viewpoints. My writing may be considered to be very tame by some folks, but that is me, my style. I have no qualms over anyone writing about monsters, or vampires or sexually explicit scenes; I just don't read them, but that is my choice. It's no different than TV where bodies are exhumed/examined with gore quite prominent. If it is not your cup of tea, then change the channel. My advice to anyone fixated on very nasty stuff, is to read the material being published by online and print journals. You can tune in to the degree of the material being published. The bottom line is personal self-discipline, that is if one wishes to get published in some magazines.
Richard L. Provencher
I think that, when it comes to children's and young adult fiction, parents don't seem to trust authors to know what they're doing. The amount of comments I've read along the lines of 'children's books are too bleak/dark' astounds me. What really made me laugh, though, was when ANNE FIBE made a comment along those lines. Let's just clarify: this is the author of 'The Tulip Touch'- one of the darkest children's books ever written. I just find it bizarre.
Hi Richard, "My advice to anyone fixated on very nasty stuff, is to read the material being published by online and print journals. You can tune in to the degree of the material being published." I am inclined to agree with this point, although audiences are so fickle and prone to fads that I would think some bestsellers out there are just so due to their unique and sometimes shocking nature. Why do we ride the newly built rollercoaster premise so to speak. Some like thrills others like to watch from a safe distance. Is it always best to choose your audience and safely stick inside the appropriate parameters to sell to them in spite of creativity? J. K. Rowling (no I am not a fan) was once asked something along the lines of: "How where you able to write such a popular series?" She replied: "I wrote books I would want to read." Dan
Hi pink book, I would like to think 'The Tulip Touch' was more aimed at young adults than children but yes I definately see your point. The strictness of classifications and censorship has definitely eased over the decades. 'Through the looking glass and what Alive found there' & Alices adventures in Wonderland previously mentioned in the forum post is a prime example of a dark childrens story. Perhaps Anne Fibe was having an attack of conscience, but sometimes there comes a childs story that children just plain should not read. Australia's infamous long serving criminal Chopper Read actually wrote a few childrens books, memorably 'Hooky the Cripple'. Complete with colour pictures. Children really should not read this... Dan
Reading some of Sue Dinums work, I'm a bit confused about what you can and can't write about on ABCtales. Can someone please tell me?
I am sorry I am unfamiliar with that Author. Dan
She's a writer on this web-site, mostly 18 rated erotica, and so I don't want to go into too much detail on this forum but some of the erotica stories seem to have pre-teenagers in them and also "adult" relationships between close family members and yet, amazingly, she doesn't get any complaints. On the contrary, she gets lots of good comments from ABC regulars and ABCtales seems to be okay with these stories, thus I am confused. What are the limits on this website? What does ABCtales consider unacceptable? That's all I'm wondering. I just want to make clear again that I am not judging, attacking or criticizing Sue Dinum for what she chooses to write.
So long as its got 18 + so I think its ok

"I will make sense with a few reads \^^/ "

So long as its got 18 + so I think its ok

"I will make sense with a few reads \^^/ "

I find myself agreeing with Kahdai on this one after reading some of her work. I don't mind her style so much and even enjoyed some of what I read although really do not want to post about a writer unles I am talking directly to them. Unless the writer in question is involved in the conversation well-wisher I do not think it polite to discuss her work. I remember the fuss that was once kicked up about the film / Novel: Lolita about a middle-aged college professor who becomes infatuated with a 14 year old nymphet. So taking things away from individuals you do bring up what I would consider the harder to define side of censorship. kind regards Dan
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