Are we losing the art of conversation? Of Banter

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Are we losing the art of conversation? Of Banter

Last night in the pub I saw something I've never seen before. Seven studenty types with beards (even the women), bobble hats and serious expressions, sitting around the fire drinking water that wasn't bought in the pub and each one of them with a lap-top on their knees taking advantage of the free Wi-Fi.

Are we losing the art of conversation? Not one of them was cracking a joke, there was no banter going on, just all seven of them engrossed in whatever they were up to on their lap-tops.

And what’s with the humourless long faces?

That's probably cue, "Well Karl, student fees .... da da da dadadada" I agree, but where's the crack? Where's the banter?

 

To quote dear ol' Albert, who so eloquently said: I fear the day when the technology overlaps with our humanity. The world will only have a generation of idiots. http://www.ukauthors.com
yeh, I hate that when you're talking to somebody and they get a beep on their phone and you're just nowhere, left standing.

 

Yes I fear that we are. Text is a Big Mac for the brain.

 

new cavalcaderl Well Said how did you know I have been out, in gusty winds blown,jacket and hoods. In the morning mine,was two days laid up back! I get too. Normally Tuesday fridays snooker.just goes know good please! stay. Got back other day,all lights on shopping,he won't go with me,I am exhausted,behaviour years,lights on,thought! oh he is in nice,changed mind, if your lucky no gone,snooker. I have shopped done all best of week,men are they like that all but some suppose. If he's not on lap top,hours,or t.v on watch horses or computer,three all in one go! Got in tonight,all dark,was he resting,no made it out? furiates me? I was so tired escalators 'Primarks' 3 floors,and changing things not right. Make my tea,switch out lights make out still out? Fell fit to drop. Then lay down and rest! under bed clothes,in comes pulls back sheets! been buying,no care consideration,does a bit shopping,I bought wrapped,ate out,something quick. Now back on the bloody lap top,tv talking away. Christmas daughter and son in law lovely come,damn mobile goes off! but go out too answer. Should be none,or even eating.if message up off! What a world. I never use mobile. Thinks I am here for his beck and call. Remember the 1st time I saw a mobile,someone talking,I was passing a shop,I thought what! are they talking to themselves for. Used outside all occasions. yuck! talk? if your lucky Christmas is for sharing and caring. I hardly exist! doesn't speak, hardly know if I am coming or going,diary he keeps. Times. I got put my best into it Sunday. There is a Dress code,quite a bit to do,learn. Lows and highs! notes etc all. Mine is a know all. We lucky what could afford,family of six making eight parents then. Surprise was great. Stop moaning now! Have a good christmas,got focus on show. Off to bed early. Leave him on his lap top? Even neighbour's cat 'Jazz' won't stay with him,if he has lap top out,cos can't sit on his lap! goes. He will jump on back of chair,till comes back from kitchen,but if lap top goes on off! julie xx
Well said Julie.

 

Nice design Stan. You should put it on Facebook...
Stan, Love the T-shirt design. Our latest initiative at work is Zero Harm and along with my mate, Yvette, I present the Zero Harm philosophy to the workforce about once a month (we’ll probably get through them all in about 20 years). A huge part of Zero Harm is behavioural safety, a lot of which is based on NLP; i.e. the brain can only concentrate on 7 ± 2 things at any one time, and I’ll bring this into my Back-to-Work Toolbox Talk when everyone comes back after Christmas. I’ll talk to about 300 hairy-arsed builders, and won’t allow anyone on site until they’ve heard what I have to say. Now I’ve waffled on and set the scene, we give several examples and show the video of the barmaid falling down the trapdoor even though she’s been previously warned about it (uncomfortable viewing), and Del Boy saying, “Play it cool, Trig,” before falling through the opened bar hatch, to add a bit of humour. But there’s a very moving video we show entitled The Cost of Accidents. It’s narrated by a lady, and you see a scaffolder loosening one end of the tube of some system scaffold just as he takes a phone call. It’s his wife who’s relaying the cost of some car repairs, and he’s now obviously focusing more on the car repairs than he is the guardrail. The video runs the situation through several different scenarios until we finally get to the true one, because it’s a true story. He falls and ends up in a wheelchair for life. He’s entitled to no compensation because he was using a mobile phone on site (which is against the rules on any big job). His family have lost their major wage-earner and suffer both emotionally and financially. And then we get to the narrator of the story, for as he falls he brings down a scaffold board with him which hits her on the head as she’s jogging past, killing her instantly. Her husband’s lost a wife and her children have lost a mother simply because the scaffolder focused more on his phone call than he did the hazardous situation he was in. 7 ± 2 things at any one time. Even if he’d remembered to hook-on his fall would have been arrested and no doubt the scaffold board would have gone in a different direction.

 

Well said comments folks. My wife and I live in a Senior's Apartment block and next door are families with a nice little park. In the twelve years here, I hardly have seen any kids play in the field other than the very tiny ones. Kids from seven to twelve seem to survive any activity for about twenty minutes then they waddle off to the game boys. Yes, back a thousand years ago, when I was young, my legs never stopped moving along with my friends---hiking, running, tag, wrestling, ball, etc. Our parents had to almost drag us in for supper, since we missed lunch. I told one parent, daredevil me, her hi-tech son would soon have to grow two foot long feet to hold up a thin body and a huge head full of game-plans. Cheers. Richard
Richard L. Provencher
I remember taking a book to the pub and people finding that objectionable--'it's a pub, mate..'the bar is a pulic space, a free for all where anyone can approach anyone else, where brain surgeons can chat with joiners as they wait for their pint. at the bar you do hear some real bollocks.

 

We once went to a pub with another couple and she spent almost the whole night texting her daughter's boyfriend, laughing and telling us what he'd said next. If we ever go out with them again - which we won't - I'm going to take my lap-top and spend all night on Facebook and ABC Tales telling them what everyone's saying. My wife says that would be rude, though.

 

Back in the day, you know, when pubs where proper places it was the conversation that made the night. That and the darts and dominoes and the occasional game of cards. Social pastimes that added to rather than diminished social interaction. Many's the time I recall someone saying 'turn that bloody telly' off'. And when it went off the conversation became exponential - and that was just a TV. Add to the mix all the technical 'social communication' gadgets around nowadays and it becomes a wonder that people can remember how to speak in a social setting at all. I don't have a mobile phone, Facebook page, etc and what's more I have no intention of getting any of it. Am I a Ludite? I don't think so given what I am doing now, but I am certainly astonished and saddened by the sight of young (and not so young) dependent on mobile communications to attain social self actualisation. Sad, very sad.

 

In fairness, I have often found myself the "invisible person" in the room. I am the one in the corner with his nose in a book. If I have nothing to read, chances are I am listening to the dialogue in the room and imagining how I would write it down. I carry an mp3 player with several audiobooks and music that helps me to "zone out" and think about my work, or just wait for the muse. You know that guy in the grocery store that walks around with his headphones on? Yeah, that's me. That said, I also have plenty of material for a conversation when the opportunity arises.

 

Stan... Of course I do! I said "invisible person" not "rude jerk-off".

 

Do you remember when mobile phones first arrived back in the mid-80s? They were about the size of a house-brick and the battery was external and the same size as a car battery. You'd get blokes lugging them into pubs and then pretending to take phone calls to show how important they were. So not much has changed there then.

 

By the way I am on Facebook and have quite a lot of fun. I resisted it for years and years until someone particularly trustworthy persuaded me to sign up. My immediate response was, "Karen (she's my mate and I love her like a sister), Karen, what have I done? Is it voodoo? Heeeeelllppp!" Karen talked me through it and a couple of her FB pals wanted to sign me up as their FB mates. I refused. Some people seem to have hundreds of 'friends' but I keep it down to 50. Whenever I reach 50 it's time for a cull. If their lives bore me or I suspect they're using Facebook to peek into my life without sharing anything of themselves then I dump them.

 

As an American, I had to google every single one of those terms. I was surprised to find that "brothel creepers" were some sort of ugly shoes, and of course a "flick knife" is a switchblade and "knuckle-dusters" were brass knuckles... High school must have been quite hard, btw. I'm afraid to ask what "DAs" and "Packets of Number 6" are...

 

A 'DA' is an acronym for a 'duck's arse' which is a style of haircut...

 

Sorry Stan, I didn't take notice of your explanation or the link.

 

Mullet Man rules the hair waves. 78-)

 

Having a young son who often texts while visiting me I am used to these text freaks- that said he does a lot of other things- he enjoys nature, he works out (and probably texts at the same time) he works, he studies, he walks his dog, he is a good mate to his friends and he is a loving son. I think young people should have their mobiles free from criticism from us oldies but once you are over 40-45 you have no excuse to be caught up with texting. That is showing off and trying to be youthful again. Panic age! I use my mobile as a train or bus ticket which is very handy but otherwise I am sure I could manage with an older model but it has to be a mobile phone.
Soul, how did you manage to Google the Teddy Boy lingo about 9 hours before Stan even wrote the thread?

 

Karl.. Stan must have edited something there. I noticed the flip-flop, too.

 

Wow. Thanks for the explanation. I was born in Illinois, in an area they call "Little Egypt". (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Illinois#Origin_of_.22Little_Egypt... ) It's farm country, so I'm pretty sure that if one of your smoking, brass knuckle/switchblade-wielding teenagers showed up there in their blue suede shoes... They'd get their duck ass run over by a tractor.

 

He's busy on his mobile!