Billy Cox | ABCtales

Sun, 2007-02-18 12:01

#2

Yan2

Dunno..I find Dyson's ok. There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed - Dennett

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Sun, 2007-02-18 19:21

#3

mississippi

Anybody got anything sensible to say?

Mon, 2007-02-19 15:33

#4

bobblehat2023

"Is this country now so lawless that we need a 'Wyatt Earp' to clean it up?" I don't think so. The problem is that now that hand-guns are cheaply and easily available to larger numbers of criminals - the immediate consequences of lawlessness are worse than they would've been when lower-level criminals didn't have easy to guns.

Mon, 2007-02-19 15:58

#5

markbrown

Hmmmm, I dunno, there's nothing that'll make you more selfish than thinking you have nothing. Murder wasn't invented by the internet, or rap music or telly... I imagine it was a bit fruity growing up in any area, in any era, where there wasn't much money around. Looking back, though, the gangsters were always 'gentlemen of murder', looked after their own, were kind to their mums and always left their murderous, criminal doors open etc etc etc. As David says, increased availability of guns is a defining factor here. There's nothing more or less hideous about been shot than there is about being killed any other way. It is, however, much easier to murder by shooting than it is, say, by stabbing or beating with iron bars or baseball bat. Also, it occurs to me, that it doesn't really matter about the kid's character. The problem doesn't go away if he was a scumbag, unless you sleep better in your bed at night knowing that it's okay, because it's only 'that sort' who shoot each other? The question of whether Britain is becoming more lawless is a vexed one. If you think back, there'll always have been areas in your city or vicinity that you know have a bit of a reputation for being 'difficult' or violent. Now, because we all feel far closer to each other because of constant news coverage etc, those areas always feel just down the road, always feel as if they're expanding and encroaching on 'decent, honest' people. What do you think, Mississippi? You've got a habit of starting threads then waiting for people to come forward with their opinions so that you can disagree with them. What's your gut feeling about all of this? Cheers, Mark

Mon, 2007-02-19 18:12

#6

mississippi

* You've got a habit of starting threads then waiting for people to come forward with their opinions so that you can disagree with them. * Well it may appear that way to you, Mark, but that has never been my intention. I frequently start threads about serious topics in order to stimulate an open debate about things far more important than whether sombody's girlfriend has passed her bloody driving test, a topic of no interest to anyone apart from her and him. My feelings about the topic in hand are varied. Everytime someone gets killed or locked up the family and friends cry foul. Of course Billy Cox was loved by his family, most people are, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a pain in the arse or a danger to society. The Krays mother always swore her sons were 'good boys', but the rest of society saw them as murdering, sadistic bastards. I have to confess I have very little sympathy for Cox. He was a drug dealer and convicted burglar. It was only a matter of time before he came a cropper. The problem the public in general have in deciding whether the country is becoming more lawless is that we have to rely on the media for information, and they frequently if not always, have an axe to grind. At the moment it's the departure, (or not), of Tony Blair that's driving a lot of the headlines these days. To clamp down on criminals in an 'open war' on crime alienates many liberals who make claims about the imposotion of a 'police state'. It's not possible to please everyone. Personally I would parachute all drug dealers into Thailand with their pockets stuffed with heroin. In the case of Cox, his 'customers' will just move on to the next dealer on the block so there's not much gain for society with his death.

Mon, 2007-02-19 21:05

#7

archergirl

I guess the question I always ask when one of these stories pops up (seemingly with great frequency of late) is: where were the parents all the time he was dealing drugs? Or his grandparents? Or neighbours? Surely there must be some culpability with the so-called 'adults' in charge? Poverty, single-mum-dom, poor education, can't always be used as get-out clauses: I had a single mum and spent my first six years of life in a run-down trailerpark in a state where education ranks among the worst, but if I didn't come home on time or tell my mum where I was, I was grounded for a month for each hour I was late. I just can't see that living in a 'bad' neighbourhood is the only factor in this poor kid choosing the wrong path. There was some article in the Independent yesterday (sorry, don't know who) which basically said that while grown-ups run around pretending they're kids, the kids themselves have no examples of responsible adult behaviour from which to learn. Rang a bell with me. Then again, I grew up in a time and place when, if you were trashing the neighbours' lawn with your bicycle, they could come out shouting, grab you by the collar, and drag you back to your mum for hell to pay.

Tue, 2007-02-20 12:20

#8

Yan2

'* You've got a habit of starting threads then waiting for people to come forward with their opinions so that you can disagree with them. *' He always has his answers ready, and you can betcha bottom dollar they'll clash with everyone elses - by design. *yawns* There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed - Dennett

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Tue, 2007-02-20 19:26

#9

mississippi

Anybody else got anything sensible to say?

Tue, 2007-02-20 19:33

#10

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Wed, 2007-02-21 20:07

#11

mississippi

I guess here would be a start. But the remark is valid in any circumstance that the pile of festering dog-shit that calls itself yan, joins in.

Wed, 2007-02-21 20:24

#12

archergirl

Um, I tried to say something sensible.

Wed, 2007-02-21 22:43

#13

mississippi

Arsey, my remark said 'anybody else...' which I'm sure you will accept suggests that someone has already made a sensible comment. Your contribution was sensible and welcome. Yans as always was bollocks, which is why he's almost always ignored. Pissful/mykle, you can always be depended upon to pop up with a pathetic remark. I feel sorry for you.

Wed, 2007-02-21 23:07

#14

Yan2

My bollocks is my bollocks, missi. At least I don't insist on returning to a thread time after time after time, trying to dig myself out of a hole. :)) There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed - Dennett

~It's a maze for rats to try, it's a race for rats to die.~

Thu, 2007-02-22 13:05

#15

mississippi

It seems to me that's EXACTLY what you do, shouldn't you be spending your time 'polishing your helmet'?

Thu, 2007-02-22 14:34

#16

poetjude

I live in South London and don't find it any worse than Clapton where I used to llive but I do sense an increased fear of crime. On the bus this morning a young lad had his feet on the seat opposite - the last vacant seat on a crowded bus in fact. People were standing rather than asking him to move his size tens. Now I confess to having put feet on seat and the lad may well have moved and apologised if asked. But fear of what his reaction might be, prevented anyone even daring to ask. This is due to the horror stories we hear about people being stabbed after asking for someone to turn their music down or move their feet. Moving on, the gang who murdered lawyer Tom ap Rhys Price were responsible for a third of all violent crimes commited on the tube in a 6 month period and believed they were 'invincible'. Where have we gone so wrong that many law abiding people are in fear of criminals and yet criminals feel immune from authority?

Thu, 2007-02-22 14:47

#17

poetjude

PS - Now, because we all feel far closer to each other because of constant news coverage etc, those areas always feel just down the road, always feel as if they're expanding and encroaching on 'decent, honest' people. I think there's definitely something in that Mark. After James Bulger was murdered there was a huge 'what's the world coming too' and blaming films etc. But Mary Bell did exactly the same in 'the good old days'. But as I said, I sense the increased fear of crime. And may I tentatively suggest, with utterly no evidence to back this up and fully aware this is just a thought and may be rubbish... but could it be possible that this increased 'fear of crime' actually leads to an actual increase in crime. I mean, if people feel wary anyway, maybe they're more easy to intimidate?

Sat, 2007-02-24 16:33

#18

pepsoid

I was thinking earlier how the Daily Mail-esque obsession with "Gangs of Marauding Hoodies" (and the like) is quite possibly substantially responsible for creating said "gangs" on account of alienating anyone who wears a hoodied top from "honest decent folk"...? I think one cannot over-estimate the media's impact and influence upon society - crime rates etc - and it is folly to presume they are merely "reporting the facts". I have recently read the (highly recommended!) "How to be Free" by Tom Hodgkinson, in which he speaks of the fact that our present-day anxiety over crime, being at an "all time high" and such, is a total myth - see the following articles from www.anxietyculture.com if you don't believe me... http://www.anxietyculture.com/antisocial.htm http://www.anxietyculture.com/crimefix.htm http://www.anxietyculture.com/crimescare.htm pe ps oid ... What is "The Art of Tea"? ... (www.pepsoid.wordpress.com)

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Sat, 2007-02-24 16:40

#19

pepsoid

Oh and by the way... Mississippi said... "I frequently start threads about serious topics in order to stimulate an open debate about things far more important than whether sombody's girlfriend has passed her bloody driving test, a topic of no interest to anyone apart from her and him." ... Define "important," Missi... pe ps oid ... What is "The Art of Tea"? ... (www.pepsoid.wordpress.com)

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Sun, 2007-02-25 00:22

#20

mississippi

Doesn't need a definition where you're concerned haemorrhoid. Almost anything under the sun is more important than whether or not your g/f has passed anything. Had she been bright she'd have passed you.

Sun, 2007-02-25 10:50

#21

pepsoid

it's a serious question, Missi... Are you saying that, in your view, there is no value in discussing supposedly "trivial" things? In frivolity? In being playful, lighthearted, childlike? Is a conversation only worthwhile (or "important") if we are discussing issues of major political or social significance? pe ps oid ... What is "The Art of Tea"? ... (www.pepsoid.wordpress.com)

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Sun, 2007-02-25 13:42

#22

mississippi

How is it possible to discuss your g/f's driving test? She took it, she passed, so what? Who's interested? The amount of replies the thread generated should have told you something, but then I guess you're so puffed up with your own importance it wouldn't register. You didn't post it as a 'discussion', you posted it purely because you love to be the centre of attention and bore the arse off people with the minutia of your child-like life.

Sun, 2007-02-25 19:48

#23

pepsoid

Well said, Peaceful... ;-) ... http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oliphant/oa048.jpg ... I like to share good news, Missi, with people I respect, like, etc - obviously doesn't apply to everyone here, but enough to make it count - is that so strange of me? Why would anyone like to bore the arse off people? Speaking of which, I'm already bored of this most deja vu-y of exchanges... could we perhaps get back on topic? Anyone read/got any comments on any of those Anxiety Culture pieces? pe ps oid ... What is "The Art of Tea"? ... (www.pepsoid.wordpress.com)

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Sun, 2007-02-25 22:00

#24

Yan2

When my wife passed her driving test I bought one of those little recordable microphones from the gadget shop, I asked how she felt, and recorded her saying, "heheheee..happy!" And I still have it to this day. One of those moments, isn't it. Gosh, I remember when I passed mine; had visions of driving a triumpth vitesse along a wide-open country road, with Black Crowes "southern harmony and musical companion' album playing in the background. Sadly, I was 17, at college, so I settled for an x-reg fiesta 1.0L..with a tape player that played 1 octave lower than it should. :) shut it, missi! You're a boring old cunt. There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed - Dennett

~It's a maze for rats to try, it's a race for rats to die.~

Sun, 2007-02-25 22:37

#25

mississippi

Did you record her saying, 'I've had enough of you, I'm leaving, and I'm even more happy'?

Sun, 2007-02-25 23:08

#26

Yan2

nah! some cherished moments are simply lost forever :) There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed - Dennett

~It's a maze for rats to try, it's a race for rats to die.~