Grammar, help. wanted, please.:;-.

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Grammar, help. wanted, please.:;-.

I can't believe I'm still editing this, but...
I'm tripping myself up over singulars and plurals here... could you lot take a look at this for me?

"The relatively new phenomenon of the 'New Man' has considerably improved relationships between many first-time parents. As with any new phenomena, however, just because the glossy magazines keep harking on about them, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of the old models still knocking about. It is with the latter type, the 'Trad Dads,' that we are concerned with in the following section."

You see, the phenomenon is about a plural... i think... oh screw it.

I'm changing it to phenomenon.
I'd go for single. If you were talking about anything else - hats or sausages for instance, it would stay single: As with any new sausage As with any new hat. This is the ridiculous way I solve similar problems and is probably no help to anyone else!
You are right to go with 'non' second time around. But wouldn't it be better re-worded? Do away with the first Phenomenom. In fact, the more I read it the more I think the whole thing needs junking, Lou. "relatively new" erm, = phenomenom, doesn't it? Yep, read it a few times now, ditch it all and start again. If you need any help, you know where to find me. :-)
Thanks for the input chaps. Yep, fair point. Even if phenomenon isn’t necessarily recent, the ‘relatively new’ is def. superfluous. I’ll ditch that and see how I go. Ta. (God, I am so sick of reading this bloody thing…)
I know - I could ditch the first phenomenon in favour of, The advent of the 'New Man' has... * chip, chip, chip *
2Lou, I think I would tackle it from a slightly different direction. Like this;I don't know if it's grammatically perfect (It probably isn't) but it conveys the essence of what you want to say in a more readable form. I hope it's helpful. "The glossy magazines have been harking on about the relatively new phenomenon of "The New Man", reporting that their appearance has considerably improved relationships between many first-time parents. Of course that doesn't mean that the "Trad Dads" have all disappeared; there must still be plenty of them about…and, though it's not trendy to talk about them, we intend to do so just that in the following section." On the subject of gammar generally I found Lynne Truss's book "Eats,shoots and Leaves" very helpful.
Thanks very much for that, Jingle. It’s certainly clearer. Trouble is the style is probably too serious in this case. I should have put it in context. It’s from a parody of books on motherhood. Many sections start off pompous and end up facetious. This awkward little para. was just inserted to stress that I wasn’t slagging off all dads. So far I’ve got… ‘The advent of the ‘New Man’ has improved relationships between many first-time parents. As with any new phenomena, however, just because magazines keep banging on about them, doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of the old models still knocking about. It is with the latter type, the ‘Trad Dads,’ that we are concerned with here.’ Any better? Any opinions gratefully recieved.
haha - grammar! i before e, except after...
Aggghhhh - I meant phenomenON.
If you reverse the first sentence: "Relationships between many first-time parents have been improved by the advent of the 'New Man,'" the "them" in the second sentence is no longer ambiguous. In fact, I'd ditch "new phenomenon" and replace it with "fashionable concept" and put in "new men" instead of "them." So . . . Relationships between many first-time parents have been improved by the advent of the "New Man." As with any fashionable concept, however, just because magazines keep banging on about New Men, doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of the old models still knocking about. It is with the latter type, the "Trad Dads," that we are concerned with here. If you want to buy my book, visit my blog: http://whatisthisstrangeplace.blogspot.com/
By George, Tom, I think you've cracked it! How about: Relationships between many first-time parents have been improved by the advent of the New Man. As with any new trend, however, just because the glossy magazines are full of new men, doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of the old models still knocking about. It is with the latter type, the ‘Trad Dads,’ that we are concerned with here. Or even, Relationships between many first-time parents have been improved by the advent of the New Man. Just because the glossy magazines are full of new men, however, doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of the old models still knocking about. It is with the latter type, the ‘Trad Dads,’ that we are concerned with here.
I like the second one, Lou. You're cooking. If you want to buy my book, visit my blog: http://whatisthisstrangeplace.blogspot.com/
Oops - think I'd better get a move on with this. We'd set up a small press to publish the book and the original publication date was April. However, a friend passed it on to a comedy producer friend to have a look at, because she thought it might be suitable for animation (still haven't heard back yet). Anyway, she suggested holding off the print run in case it got taken up, so I did (even though I think it's incredibly unlikely). Thing is, I forgot to notify Neilsen's book data, and now I've just seen it listed on Amazon! What's more, it displays the lazily written one-line synopsis that I jotted down on the data form. It's obviously not going to be a problem as I'm not exactly expecting a rush of orders from the general public, but still... I am never on time for anything. Never, ever, ever. Not even my own bloody book.
Oh thanks Tom, didn't see your post. Yes I think 2nd is best too - already changed it in fact. Thank you sooooooooo much for your help.
Glad to be of help, Lou. One other thing - I don't think you need the first "with" in the last sentence. Good luck with it. If you want to buy my book, visit my blog: http://whatisthisstrangeplace.blogspot.com/
Yep - right again, Tom. Thanks!
Ooooh oooh oooh... tv producer chappie hadn't got round to reading it yet so I was able to drop off the edited version two days ago. Anyway.................................. Just been speaking to him on the phone and and and he loved the book and he's going to pitch to the beeb for a series of animated shorts!!!!!!!!!!!! Even if that doesn't come off (animation is very expensive apparently) he said, do you have a literary agent? I said, I wish - now he's going to get someone from ICM to call me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry! I know it's trumpet blowing but I'm just so f***ing excited! Two years I've been touting this little books around! Thanks again for all your editing, Abcers!
Nice one 2Lou, and congrats! Every right to blow that trumpet.
Excellent news, Lou. Congrats. If you want to buy my book, visit my blog: http://whatisthisstrangeplace.blogspot.com/
Thanks Petals. I think I broke the exclamation key...
Enzo
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Lou, that's wonderful news. Well done! Enzo.. www.thedevilbetweenus.com
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