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My son has recently started a course in media studies and I happened to look at one of his textbooks for the first time.

I have never read such a load of old bollocks.

Most of it might as well have been written in 14th century Flemish for all the bearing it has on the skills and thinking you need to forge a media career in 21st century Britain.

If this is typical of what they are teaching kids about the media then God help listeners, viewers, readers and surfers of the future.

What appears to have happened is that a bunch of educationalists who have little idea about the media have got hold of the subject and decided to academicise it. Probably ex-sociologists.

In doing so they have overlooked a basic truth.

We live in a world where people are overloaded with information. We've got it coming at us from every direction 24/7. In such an environment, the overriding requirement is that programmes, articles, advertisements, web pages etc connect with their target audiences - audiences who are hugely distracted and greatly spoilt for choice.

For the vast majority of content that means it has to be written and presented in a way that is clear, simple, accessible and down to earth.

One of my main objections is that much of the language used in my son's textbook is the very opposite of that. It is absolutely not the language you would use as a journalist, scriptwriter, copywriter, editor or producer.

Indeed it is the kind of wordy, inflated, convoluted, pretentious nonsense that would be the hallmark of an amateur in the field.

And there we have our first big clue. This textbook has been written by media amateurs who are seeking to cover their ignorance of the subject by blinding us with ludicrous terminology.

It's the classic trick played by academics. They have taken a relatively straightforward subject and made it impenetrable by drowning it in an ocean of abstract nouns and fancy terminology. Terminology which no self respecting media professional would use in any editorial conference, production meeting or creative brainstorming session.

My other main objection is that the kind of esoteric points the writers of this textbook are trying to convey about the media, would be right at the bottom of the list of priorities facing any modern media professional.

Their primary concern is how to create fresh, engaging material that attracts an audience, touches that audience, speaks to that audience, connects with that audience, informs that audience, entertains that audience and generally holds that audience's attention.

This text book has very little of practical value to say on that kind of stuff.

In short it is not preparing my son for a career in the media, but preparing him to be an academic observer of the media. Or maybe to write useless textbooks on the subject, like this one.

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"In short it is not preparing my son for a career in the media, but preparing him to be an academic observer of the media." Yeah, although I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. The problem is they give the impression that a media studies degree will help you get a media job, which it won't.

 

In the States I think a 'media' degree is called 'Communications', which encompasses all the communicating-type stuff: written journalism, editing, production, broadcast journalism for radio/television, etc. Otherwise, I'd think that 'media studies' would be, well, studying the media. Seems self-explanatory.
I agree with Buks. This hinges on your expectation of what you will get out of the course. If you want to train to be a journalist, then do a journalism course, or take a job as a trainee journalist. If you want an academic qualification in general media-based things, then do a media studies course.
Depends what you mean by media doesn't it? There's a big difference between studying The Media and studying media. Art History doesn't teach you how to be an artist. Psychology doesn't teach you how to be a psychologist. English Literature doesn't teach you how to be a writer. Why should poor old media studies come in for such stick? Is it because we think popular mediums can't possibly be intrinsically interesting or worthy of study? And, a lot of the time, degrees are just that; interesting. Cheers, Mark

 

My degree was Biological Sciences with specialisation in Zoology. (My sub specialisations were invertebrate zoology and parasitology) ...or just Zoology for short. If I had a penny for every time somebody has asked me if that means I'll work in a zoo, I'd have about three pounds seventy five. Oooh, it makes me want to poke a biro into their pre-frontal cortex. jude "Cacoethes scribendi" http://www.judesworld.net

 

My degree was creative writing, and that didn't teach me how to write either...
To a certain extent, Bruce, I go along with you on the way that some academic texts and courses can tend to obfuscate what might otherwise be a 'straightforward' subject. I did a couple of terms of Film Studies in the first year of my degree, which might have put me off of films for life if I hadn't already been a committed moviephile. I found it excruciatingly dull. Most of the faculty were Lacanians or structuralists. One of them had written a set text on genre which was impenetrable. I'm not saying that the subject matter itself was necessarily irrelevant - simply that it was conveyed in such an incomprehensible way. The academic equivalent of a legalese, you might say. A favourite example of the type of gristle we had to chew up and swallow came in a structuralist reading that was given to one of Harold Pinter's short pieces, 'Last to Go': "'Last to Go' presents a conversation that is mutually and simultaneously phatic for both interlocutors, maintaining contact but not conveying much information between them... Utterances that in a non-aesthetic context might be classified as dominantly reverential, emotive, conative, etc. acquire a different status when they occur in an aesthetic context. Language that is phatic for the Barman and the Newspaper-seller is poetic for us... The semiotic structure of the sketch might therefore be summarized as: Speech is to Silence as George is to the last newspaper to go..." Pinter's response? "I don't understand how people can be so terribly earnest and serious about this damned sketch. It's only a sketch."
Mark, Media Studies deserves all the stick it gets. We are talking here about one of the most important industries in our society. An industry that is about communicating information clearly and effectively through newspapers, books, radio, TV, the web, advertising etc. My complaint is that the very principles on which those activities are based are being abused by the academics who have put together these courses. They have taken a subject that should be relatively straightforward and down to earth and rendered it almost meaningless through abstractions and ludicrous jargon, that all the media professionals I know never use. Ask most people in the media and they will tell you Media Studies is a joke. Many media firms would prefer not to employ young people who have been on one of these courses. Given this is such an important industry, wouldn't it be better if our kids were given practical advice on how to enter the industry and how to survive in it? Wouldn't it be sensible if most of the course was about how to write articles, scripts, advertising copy and web content that people wanted to read, how to design all the above things so they draw the reader in, how to understand your audience better so you can communicate more effectively with them, how to adapt your approach when switching between media, how to carry out efficient research, how to interact with all the different types of people you encounter in the media world from news reporters, feature writers, sub editors and editors to artists and designers to commissioning editors, production managers, floor managers, camera crew, script editors, voice over artists, actors, directors and producers etc etc. If my son's course is anything to go by, the balance is all wrong. There's too much about the theoretical and the academic, and not nearly enough about the practical. And worst of all it is written in needlessly complicated language As for examples of what I am complaining about here are a few brief excerpts from his textbook: "Semiotics enables us to deconstruct how visual messages as well as textual messages communicate . . . We generally deconstruct texts at three levels. These are: syntactic, representational and symbolic . . . Syntactic level This is the most basic level of analysis – it identifies the denotations of the text (i.e. it describes what is in the text) . . . Symbolic level This third level is the symbolic level. At this level you are looking at hidden meanings or connotations the text carries in terms of ideology and institution . . . Types of sign (we are shown a screenshot of the toolbars for Microsoft Word and the text says) You might reocgnise some of the signs here – Which ones are indexical, iconic, symbolic or even arbitrary? . . ."
But Bruce - you're still trying to mix up academic and vocational courses. You can learn about DOING something in a vocational course - which is what you are advocating (and such courses do exist) or you can learn about the philosophical and academic issues surrounding the doing of something on an academic course. It's horses for courses (as it were).
I don't think it's Media Studies itself that your concerned about, Bruce, but the people who teach it. It's a bit like when people knock religion per se when their real target should be the way certain extremists tend to interpret religious texts. Maybe the subject needs some clear-thinking, no-nonsense types to teach it. How about giving it a go yourself, Bruce? Sounds like you might make a decent job.
I worked in 'Media' for about nine years, firstly as an Editorial Assistant on a variety of print and online biomedical journals, then as assistant editor, then as a Ad executive, designer and copywriter also for biomedical journals and when I left scientific publishing I worked for Pearson and the FT in production and marketing. . . and after all that I haven't a clue about what all the above means! I know that LSBU are tailoring courses to particular jobs so your 'media' course will teaching you the essentials of being a media buyer/ planner, a copywriter, a PR exec etc which seems more sensible than a general media course. But then a lot of people like me go through the doors of publishing or broadcast and find their niche by trial and error or sheer luck. Also most 'media jobs' available to graduates involve flogging advertising space, which is, in effect nothing more than telesales and is totally soul destroying but pays well. The more interesting positions tend to be harder won and poorer paid (I left editorial because the pay is attrocious. students should be aware of these grim realities). And generally a degree in something other than media is preferred when I've conducted interviews in the past. I often had 50 + CVs for an admin assistant post and tended to favour degrees in maths, english, sciences and languages from one of the old established universities. I had the predudice that 'Media studies ' was not academically challenging and therefore favoured by those who struggled with more traditional subjects. Whether or not my belief was founded isn't the point - I was the one flicking through the CVs and it was my call. And if I ever went back to the publishing, advertising or broadcast arenas, I'd retain that position. jude "Cacoethes scribendi" http://www.judesworld.net

 

It sounds like he's on the wrong course if he's wanting to know how to write articles etc. for a target audience. What he wants is a journalism course. Of course, from an academic perspective, to really learn it all he'd need to do a degree. Alongside that he'd usually learn the media studies stuff as well. nobody
Bruce, as I said there is a big difference between studying THE Media and media. THE Media is all of the organisations, individuals, structures and associated bits and bobs that produce media. Media is what is produced BY the media. Media Studies is study what is produced by THE Media, so, quite reasonably, you are studying what media means, rather than how to produce it yourself. The study of interpretation of media; or how meaning is created by media. This might feed back into the production of media or it might not. It's notoriously difficult to nail down where meaning comes from, which does give rise to a whole different set of language and ideas to the language needed to produce it. Sadly, critical thinking does require critical language to be able to fully capture nuance of ideas. It probably is sad that a lot of people take the opportunity to study media as a way of getting into producing media, which, as you say, it isn't. Media Studies is the academic study of media, which, unfortunately, you have to do a bit of before you really grasp the distinction. I was talking to a friend recently about the business of academic writing. He's just finishing a PHD thesis, and said that, as it's a job that's funded in a certain way with certain rules attached, academic writing does tend to have a certain air to it. Academic chapters are a certain length, and are funded as such. This results in a need to write in a certain style to a) hit the word count and b) make sure that you satisfy your supervisor, some times by linguistically 'hedging your bets' so as not to upset anyone. Cheers, Mark

 

I don't see anything wrong with semiotics and stuff like it. As mentionned above, though, studying semiotics is very different from studying journalism - it's not necessarily useless if you choose to go on to study journalism but it's obviously not a substitute. "They have taken a subject that should be relatively straightforward and down to earth and rendered it almost meaningless through abstractions and ludicrous jargon, that all the media professionals I know never use." How would you like academics to analyse the media? Should tabloid newspapers only be analysed in the form of quotes from page 3 girls? Nicky, 19 from Basingstoke says "The Sun makes a valuable and interesting contribution to our democracy, innit?"

 

I guess my point is that there is very little point in studying the media from an academic perspective - certainly not for a 16-year-old kid. Kids need practical stuff that can lead to jobs. Not a brainful of useless pseudo jargon. Furthermore, how come no one has this discussion about business studies? It is generally accepted that a business studies course is a good preliminary step for kids before they enter the world of business. I looked through my son's business studies textbook and I thought it offered some practical insights into the world of business with very little academicisation. The same should be true of media studies. I agree with you, Alan. Many of the people who teach media studies have never actually worked in the media. My suspicion is that the people who have written my son's textbook have never held a real job in the media either. If they had, they wouldn't write the kind of stuff I quoted earlier. I'm off now for a couple of days, so if anyone makes a post that demolishes my argument, I won't be able to respond till Friday.
"Furthermore, how come no one has this discussion about business studies? It is generally accepted that a business studies course is a good preliminary step for kids before they enter the world of business." I think Economics is probably a more logical comparison. In that, it does help you understand the context in which businesses operate but doesn't really help you run a business on a practical level. The key difference, though, is are quite a few basic concepts involved in running a business - any business - that are the same. I don't think that's true for Media. What are practical ideas that are the same across: writing for a newspaper, reporting for radio, shooting a hollywood film, designing an advertising campaign, editing on content driven website... etc.? So the practical stuff needs seperate subjects, I reckon.

 

"Kids need practical stuff that can lead to jobs." Ooo - not sure I'd go along with that. What would happen to the humanities? And education shouldn't just be about getting jobs, anyway.
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I’ve never taken a straw poll of undergraduates, but I would expect that there were more people choosing Media Studies because they were interested in a career in that area, than those choosing it because they’re purely curious about its workings from an observational standpoint. If that assumption is correct, then many students *are* going to be let down. I agree with Bruce and Jude on this. A qualification in Media Studies will make many employers inwardly groan. There is a great variety of training and qualifications available on-the-job which would be far more beneficial. If my assumption is incorrect, then I wonder why people choose Media Studies in the first place. I personally don’t believe that anybody with an intellect capable of university *needs* to study The Media in order to find out what effects it has or what lies behind it. Everyone (in this country at least) seems pretty savvy about that. The only other allure of taking Media Studies that I can think of, is taking a general ‘arts’ degree that might appear more interesting than other arts degrees. Looks like they’ll be disappointed on that count also. ~ www.fabulousmother.com
To Bruce - I trained as a teacher of "Media Education with English" (PGCE with Qualified Teacher Status, at the Central School of Speech and Drama - http://www.cssd.ac.uk/postgrad.php/18/pgce_media_studies.html ) five years ago. I believe Media Education has the potential to encourage the creation of critical citizens, aware of the constructions (and delivery methods) of messages in our heavily mediated society (speaking of the UK now). The point is, the media are not separate from society. If you ask what the point is in learning how to study/understand the media, you are asking what the point is in trying to understand society. This is going to seem really showoffy but I'm wound up, so I don't care: I've posted an essay (and yes it's in academic language, mostly, but is also relatively clear I think) which I wrote during my course which sets out some of my ideas about the issues which you have raised. I don't believe Media Studies is the be all and end all, and I don't believe it is necessarily 'the best subject' or any of that defensive stuff, but it, like Media Education altogether, has merits, and some of those are the benefits it offers to those who are not academically successful in more traditional subjects, but are still intelligent. The link to the essay is here: http://www.abctales.com/node/558678 The last two paragraphs summarise the main argument if you don't have time/inclination to read the whole thing... And here are a couple more potentially useful links if you're genuinely interested in the points you've raised (Bruce) and not just having a closed-off Daily Mail style rant. http://www.mediaed.org.uk/ http://www.englishandmedia.co.uk/ http://www.ofcom.org.uk/advice/media_literacy/mediaLiteracyEducationReso...
'The point is, the media are not separate from society. If you ask what the point is in learning how to study/understand the media, you are asking what the point is in trying to understand society.' I'm not debating that. 'The Media' plays a huge part in society and should be studied as a *part* of the study of society. But if that is the raison d'etre of Media Studies, then it is being sold in a perilously misleading fashion to undergraduates. It is *not* being sold as just another branch of Sociology. From the Sussex University Prospectus: Media Studies: '...provides an especially appropriate academic background for work in the media: for example, in journalism, broadcasting, advertising and publicity, arts and cultural bodies, or in media research.' As it stands, Media Studies does not appear to be doing what it says on the tin. ~ www.fabulousmother.com
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"I've posted an essay (and yes it's in academic language, mostly, but is also relatively clear I think) which I wrote during my course which sets out some of my ideas about the issues which you have raised. " "which I wrote" Are you Ernie Wise? And three 'which's' in a row. Are you sure you are an academic? Certainly, you can't write. Perhaps you're some kind of doomsday machine.
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Radiodumbo - which sticks & which stones.. I was tired, which turns me into a bit of a which. (Actually, was your message my 'punishment' for putting a 'poncey academic' essay (hardly!) on here by any chance? If you can't be arsed to engage with the content, best to pick at its delivery, eh. You reveal much about your trolly self...) 2Lou - I agree that some Media Studies courses seem confused about their role/function, but I happen to know that Sussex (since you mention it) offers huge amounts of practical and theoretically supported vocational elements in their Media Studies course. The students can choose to take these options or not, depending on their interests/aims. Other places don't, and I agree that at that level institutions should describe accurately what they offer, and not be ashamed if it is predominantly theoretical. A question for those hung up on the 'vocational question' - does a Maths A level get slated for not getting kids a job in the Maths industry; do Art History students get pitied for their lack of an ensuing career in the Art History industry? etc. Media Studies is an easy target, and attracts the 'views' of judgmental elitists. (Having said that - some teachers/establishments do seem to be guilty of trying to raise their student numbers by mis-advertising their courses - not just in the field of Media Studies either..) At A level, the practical side of things is not remotely intended to be vocational (in my view)and I think teachers/colleges/schools are misinforming the kids if they're telling them a Media Studies A Level will help them get a media job. Making films and magazines etc at this level is rationalised as a consolidation of the theory and an expression of understanding of the workings of those things, as well as a space for creative work. Some students express their understanding better in a self-constructed advert (of whatever 'merit'/standard) than in an essay (am sure Radiodumbo would say that about me). Go to the links I put on my last message to see more in-depth stuff about media studies and media education if you're genuinely interested in all this.
ps. I realise that the lovely Mark asked the same question about Art History (more elegantly than I did). pps. radiodumbo, hilariously I am a trainee academic, LOL. How standards have dropped etc (btw, do you take the Daily Mail as well?)...
Galfreda, thanks for your response to my rant. I'm sorry if anything I said offended you, and I'm probably going to offend you some more, so I apologise in advance, but I do believe that media studies in its present form is mostly a waste of time. When you think of all the challenging issues that young people face today, I can't help feeling there are more important things to learn than how to deconstruct the semiotics of a building society ad. When you consider how big the media industry is and the employment opportunities it offers, wouldn't it be more sensible to focus the course on practical matters such as: who's who in a newspaper office or a TV production team or a website development team or an ad agency; how to apply for jobs and manage a career in the industry; how to brainstorm ideas; how to write a treatment for a TV programme or film; how to write a script for radio, TV or film; how to write a news story or feature for a newspaper or magazine; how to design and write a website and optimise it for the search engines; how to adapt your writing style as you switch from one medium to another; how to design pages for a newspaper or magazine; how to operate cameras, lighting, sound etc, how to brief creative suppliers, how to plan and develop an ad campaign and so on . . . In my son's course they do a tiny amount of practical stuff, but it seems to me most of his course is devoted to very academic analyses of media output, all explained in highly pretentious language that is the complete opposite of the kind of language you would use if you worked in the media (unless you worked in marketing or PR). In its present form media studies is simply not practical enough and provides students with largely useless information. To make matters worse most of this useless information is couched in needlessly complicated language. As George Orwell commented many decades ago when you strip away all the inflated language and replace it with simple terms, what you have left is often empty nonsense. The inflated language is just a means of hiding the empty nonsense from the poor unsuspecting student and teacher.
Bruce, you don't half sound like my own dear father, snuffling through whatever it was I was doing at school and really enjoying. "What's the point of that, eh? How's that going to help you get a job?" Also like my own dear father, you seem to have employed the same style of argument, the one that involves skipping answering any of the points raised against your initial proposition and just restating your initial point. "What's the point of that, eh? How's that going to help you get a job?" So if I get your meaning straight, media studies is all rubbish because it isn't what you think your son should be doing, and not only that, it's a huge conspiracy that misleads people, covering up the fact that at its heart is a huge void? There's an old saying that goes: don't look at an apple and wish it was a peach. As for the frankly ridiculous 'inflated language' you keep returning to; can I give you an illustrative example of why specialised language is necessary within a discipline for it to be able to explain, describe and delineate ideas and objects? Picture, if you will, an operating theatre: Doctors in surgical gowns, brows knitted in concentration, instruments in hand look down at the patient who lies, torso open, on the operating table: Doctor One: I'm very worried about his purple squishy pump thing. Doctor Two: Yes, it does seem to be doing bad stuff Doctor One: We'll have to be careful or we might cut through one of those pipey things, you know the ones that go to that bag thing where wee goes Doctor Two: Oh yes, we have to safe guard against him feeling a bit peaky, don't we? Doctor One: Undoubtedly. Pass me that knifey thing. Doctor Two: Nurse, could you administer another few squirts of that sleepy stuff? Cheers, Mark

 

Mark If you read my comment on the new thread I've started about academics I think you will find I explain where I am coming from on this and why I think I have a valid point. You are obviously comfortable with the academic way of thinking and that's fine for you. But please don't try to impose it on the rest of us non-academic types. There are a lot of us out here who could benefit from having things explained simply and clearly. If I may say so, with your operating theatre sketch you have used the classic debating trick of taking a special case and exaggerating it (while incidentally attacking a point I wasn't making). Firstly, I don't know whether you have had much to do with the medical world but almost all the terminology they come up with is needlessly convoluted. So there is yet another way in which the academic mindset you admire tries to make life more complicated than it need be. Why say bird flu when you can say avian influenza? Secondly, the example you give is in no way analogous to the point I am making about media studies. When you go to medical college you learn the terminology that you will use in a hospital or in an operating theatre. When you attend a media studies class you learn terminology that no one ever uses in the media sector. You accuse me - unfairly I think - of not responding to points people make, so please just to make sure you practise what you preach can you respond directly to this above point. If there is a point someone has made against my argument which I haven't addressed, please say what it is and I will reply to it.
Bruce, Media Studies is NOT a degree designed to equip you to work in the media, it has never claimed to be, and I can't see why you think it is.

 

Maddan As 2Lou pointed out media studies is being sold as if it is exactly that. A lot of kids are signing up to it because that's what they think it will do. Given that business studies gives you an introduction to the business world, it seems a reasonable assumption that media studies would do something similar. Leaving that aside, if media studies isn't helping people to work in the media, what is the point of it? Absolutely none as far as I can see.
Bruce, "Why say bird flu when you can say avian influenza?" You say 'avian influenza' because 'bird flu' is a corruption of 'avian influenza' which doesn't have the same meaning. 'Avian influenza' describes something specific, bird flu is a generally understood term which may have a less specific meaning. Like the difference between 'bad toe' and 'gout'. One is specifically descriptive, the other general and not terrifically helpful if you need to know with precision what something is. To answer your second point: Media studies doesn't give you vocational training for work in the media, on that we agree. We differ on whether it could be expected to do so. I think studying the products of The Media can be useful, enlightening, exciting and may be a good exercise in thinking that might be helpful if you go into a media related field. You think that it isn't any of these things, and represents, at best, a swindle and, at worst, a conspiracy. That's an answer. Cheers, mark

 

Mark, while I agree with everything you have said, and do not class myself as anti-academic (I enjoyed my "useless" degree subject), I think Bruce may be onto something: if you think about the way humanities teachers are forced to "sell" their subject in options year (because all of the "arty-farty" subjects are stuffed into the same option bracket) then you can imagine a bit of creative hard-sell is always a temptation. Why do media studies instead of art? "Because you will learn about journalism or being a radio DJ - is that a career you might want to follow? Then sign here..." In this respect, you could legitimately argue that there is something of a "swindle" taking place. However, I think the definitions of these subjects, and clear outlines on what the courses consist of, are widely known and distributed. So I don't really see a problem.
Mark As far as I am aware bird flu and avian influenza mean pretty much the same thing. I have heard doctors use both. My understanding is that one is just a shorter version of the other and they are pretty much interchangeable. I find it interesting that you refer to the shorter phrase as a corruption, as though there is something sacrosanct about the longer phrase. That in itself is an example of the academic mindset. Longer is somehow better.
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How about 'terminological inexactitude' for 'lie'. That's a good one - if not strictly accurate.
Mark, Would you mind awfully if I borrowed the following inspired piece of writing... Doctor One: I'm very worried about his purple squishy pump thing. Doctor Two: Yes, it does seem to be doing bad stuff Doctor One: We'll have to be careful or we might cut through one of those pipey things, you know the ones that go to that bag thing where wee goes Doctor Two: Oh yes, we have to safe guard against him feeling a bit peaky, don't we? Doctor One: Undoubtedly. Pass me that knifey thing. Doctor Two: Nurse, could you administer another few squirts of that sleepy stuff? ...and adapted/extended/squished it forcefully it into a story? I would be exceedingly grateful if you were to respond in the positive! :-) [ PS. hmm... just had a thought... perhaps it could be used as the basis of a "Pepsoidian Challenge"... ] {{{_"P"_}}} ... What is "The Art of Tea"? ... (www.pepsoid.wordpress.com - latest... Can We Ever Really Know the Truth About Anything?)

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My case is rested.

 

'In short it is not preparing my son for a career in the media, but preparing him to be an academic observer of the media.' Yes, hence the title media STUDIES
With the greatest of respect Fergal that doesn't follow at all. If it did, then how do you explain Business STUDIES? That's a subject that actually tries to provide an introduction to the world of business, rather than prepare the student to be an academic observer of business? Looks like we have to interpret one type of STUDIES in one way, and another type of STUDIES in another? So there is no HENCE in this at all. Just another example of the mess the academic world has got itself into. I fail to understand how so many sensitive, thoughtful, creative people can be so quick to rush to the defence of the system as it stands and so blind to its failings? Is it some kind of religion substitute?
"Looks like we have to interpret one type of STUDIES in one way, and another type of STUDIES in another? So there is no HENCE in this at all. Just another example of the mess the academic world has got itself into. I fail to understand how so many sensitive, thoughtful, creative people can be so quick to rush to the defence of the system as it stands and so blind to its failings? Is it some kind of religion substitute?" This, of course, brings us nicely on to Religious Studies which in my experience offered no practical guidance on how to found a religion or become a priest: no handy sermon tips. no role-play confessions. Bloody academics! More broadly, I don't think anyone's defending 'the system'. 'The system' you're opposed to doesn't exist, you've just come up with a series of things - long words, professional terminology, abstract thought - which you dislike and feel are causing bad things to happen but which don't have much connection to each other beyond you're negative feelings about them. There are lots of things I dislike about the academic world but the fact that it often encourages people to think about things that don't have direct practical use isn't one of them. Neither is the fact that academic writing often uses long words with specific meanings. There are lots of things that concern me about the medical profession but there use of long-words for diseases - provided they also give patients comprehensible explanations to go with them - isn't one of them. There are many instances in which I do oppose the use of long words & professional terminology, and I do think abstract thought is a waste of time. What I don't accept is that these things are wrong in themselves, in a general sense. That's not a defence of 'the system', it's a strong contention that the key things that are wrong with the world are not the things you've identified.

 

Buk You make some interesting points, but it's obvious we are never going to see eye to eye on this. Ultimately, this is about personal preference and perhaps prejudice. You and other posters are mostly happy with the status quo, I am not. This has been a really interesting discussion and it's clear I am hugely outnumbered, which makes it difficult to respond to every point that people make. Anyway, I've now hit the buffers. I'm away for a week and sadly have no more time to respond to the points people are making [huge sigh of relief all round]. Thanks for making it such an interesting discussion. My apologies if I was rude to anyone. Bruce
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