Duality Of Mind

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Fri, 2007-07-06 14:45

Duality Of Mind

1. At the heart of all Human psychobiology is the fear of our own mortality.

2. All Human expectations are based on self delusions, such as the irreducible concepts of good and evil, pree life's, the after life etc.

3. The foundation of the human condition is a primordially psychologically induced fear?

Fri, 2007-07-06 21:15

pepsoid

??? Are you saying Fear is the ultimate foundation of all human motivation? What is the connection with "Duality of Mind"? pe ps oid Blogs! "the art of tea" "that's an odd courgette"

The All New Pepsoid the Second!

Fri, 2007-07-06 23:44

Redrecon

Maybe he thought Duality of Mind sounded better.

Sat, 2007-07-07 00:48

jrc

'Are you saying Fear is the ultimate foundation of all human motivation'? Yes. 'What is the connection with "Duality of Mind'? We will get to that. Go with the premise of Fear peps. :D

Sat, 2007-07-07 01:50

Dendrite

Hmm… and I always thought fear kills motivation, unless it’s mutated into some kind of pathology. And good and evil as a “self delusion” is an amusing statement, quite nihilistic, I like it at face value, but we know it really isn’t true. Cognitive reasoning is all about classifying and categorizing. It more or less starts with good and evil then does splinter off into all types of hedging and convenient qualifications from there.

Sat, 2007-07-07 14:38

pepsoid

Go with the premise of Fear peps. :D OK, jrc! ;) Hmm… and I always thought fear kills motivation No, I think I somewhat agree with jrc. Perhaps a pessimistic viewpoint, but could be said to be true. We fear death, so we try to find a reason for living - or a belief in things beyond and outside of death. We "fear" God. We fear the vast pit of meaningless nothingness... and so we seek meaning. Hope could be tied to fear. One cannot have hope without fear...? Is this where the "duality" part comes in, perhaps, jrc...?? pe ps oid Blogs! "the art of tea" "that's an odd courgette"

The All New Pepsoid the Second!

Sat, 2007-07-07 14:50

pepsoid

By the way, jrc, do you, perchance, visit the forum of The Big View? I only ask, because, this being a philosophical thread, I thought I might just pop by and start a thread on this fear/hope issue you have raised... to find that somebody already had! http://www.thebigview.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2848 Fancy! pe ps oid Blogs! "the art of tea" "that's an odd courgette"

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Sat, 2007-07-07 15:24

jrc

'Is this where the "duality" part comes in, perhaps, jrc...?? Absolutely peps. A very good interpretation. I hope to get back to this thread this evening when time permits. The Big View? Who me!! :D

Sat, 2007-07-07 18:39

pepsoid

You are a Big Viewer, aren't you, jrc! ;;;))) pe ps oid Blogs! "the art of tea" "that's an odd courgette"

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Sun, 2007-07-08 05:01

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Dendrite

I get the point, but still don't know that we actually fear death... until we're closer to it, in old age or illness perhaps. It's an abstraction, like pain. There are receptors that block the memory of pain. The fear of death as a motivation to find meaning in life, I don't think so. Mostly we are motivated by sex, identity, power, etc. We associate meaning to life things, death is kind of out there. The more religious and spiritual certainly have a closer death relationship/motivation than your average joe bag of donuts... maybe depends on who were talking about (?)

Mon, 2007-07-09 20:04

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jrc

'don't know that we actually fear death... until we're closer to it' At a conscious, every day level Dendrite, most of us do not. We Create the delusions of 'purpose', to stay off reality? Why? Because reality dose not best motivate us to actions resulting in propagation, Social acceptance, etc. Sex is both a Biological hard wire, and a Social/Psychological extension of our own sense of mortality. But do we not propagate to extend our own Genes? If so, Why! To extend some part of our selfs? A fear of the complete eradication from existences? identity, power? Well these 'and many other' Concepts like them, are merely Social constructs that are good examples of the delusion mechanisms that we are considering hear. But what is the driving forces behind them? Can the need for power be described as a fear based mechanism that is expressed mainly as a need for control over others? A temporary control over destiny? What about Group Association and identity? 'We are stronger in numbers'? My question hear is more the Psychological motivations that lay at the heart of such Social instincts such as Power and Identity. What motivates us to the need for Identity, Power, Ideologies? :D

Tue, 2007-07-10 01:20

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Dendrite

I just don't think death is a motivating factor to the extent you do jrc, and that's okay, we can agree to disagree, I utterly get where you're coming from. I also don't buy the social construct and delusion mechanism scenario. We create, assert, and evolve the self and ego to be distinct, stake a claim, and find a way to get what we need/want (in that order) using our abilities as a matter of course. Just look at all the great and not so great work on this site. It's not about controlling people. It has more to do with the exposition of sex, power, and identity than anything else. I suppose we try and extend ourselves beyond mortality in some ways but I don't think there is this invisible conspiricy scheme of social coercion and delusion. I do believe the will to power is the human condition and yea, it doesn't always make the best outcome, but how can it? People are different, some people negate their power, donate it to fear and anger. And before getting cornered and labeled, it doesn't always mean controlling and getting over on people. Altruism is a behavior of the most secure and enlightened identity/power. I am nowhere near as altruistic as I could or should be, heh heh.

Tue, 2007-07-10 04:52

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styx

Altruism does not exist. We do things for other people so that we feel better and sometimes - superior. Go on, admit it, you know who you are.

Tue, 2007-07-10 09:41

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Dendrite

Ding! Now here is a true nihilist...

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