Is my brain small enough?

I too am baffled. The only think I can come up with...Oasis are buying up Coldplay's albums and vice versa.

Did he???!! And what exactly has he "achieved"??!!!!! I join you in despairing of the record-buying public, Yan... :-/// pe ps oid "the progenitor" "the art of tea" "that's an odd courgette"

At least you've got Coldplay and Oasis. Try Hanna Montana and Jonas Brothers, yeesh... I'm still counting on the UK to save rock n roll, again...

It might happen... one day... :-/ Or there's always Finland!! ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Rock_Hallelujah pe ps oid "the progenitor" "the art of tea" "that's an odd courgette"

Try The Enemy - they're just like the Jam but updated and even, on some tracks, just as good (if not a little better).

When I was at uni a few years ago as a mature student some of the youngsters were embaressed that they'd been big Oasis fans a few years before, Oasis had though got them interested in other, more respected, bands. So they achieved something. Craig

Ah you answered your own question, your mind must be small if you didn't get what I meant. Let me explain in simplistic terms. Youngsters, (young teens), that had never been into anything other than pop discovered a different type of music, the music critic that you are Yan will probably remember the landscape of mid nineties commercial music. Who would you have nominated just out of interest? Remember they must have had to achieve something in the music world as a whole. Craig

I am also curious to hear your response, Yan! ;-) (after which, I may be bold enough to post one of my own...) pe ps oid "the progenitor" "the art of tea" "that's an odd courgette"

Post one of your own anyway Peps, get the conversation started. Craig

Maybe Yan could nominate himself, I'm sure he achieved much with his own music that he used to plug in the not so distant past.... Craig

I always rather liked Oasis. Not so much Liam, but Noel.

It's the age-old question - do people buy music because they like it, because their friends like it, or because it's fashionable to like it?

Buy 'cos it rocks your soul - that's whatI do. It can be opera, rock, jazz, world music, pop, classical - but sometimes it just connects - and that's when I buy it!

My fellow students at university were at the age where they were developing their individual musical tastes when Oasis emerged, their tastes evolved from there. They may not have been groundbreaking, but they weren't that bad and have a big fan base. I quite liked Liam, especially when he believed his own hype and got lairy in a German resteraunt without his beefcake security and had his front teeth smashed out, very entertaining! sam with Jay Kay when he shoved the meakest looking photographer who replied with a fine head butt placing the aforementioned flat on his arse. The Coldplay question is puzzling, no-one admits to liking them yet they seem to sell a lot of albums! With hugely popular bands, old and new,that aren't my own cup of tea I just accept that maybe it's me missing the point, rather than the band being crap. Same with authors. Craig

Coldplay songs are odd... they start, they end, and I have no idea what they were like in between becuase my mind just switches off...

I have the impression that every Coldplay song sounds just like every other Coldplay song.

That's exactly what I mean, nobody likes them, but they sell loads. I wonder how they get away with it. I like the odd Oasis track, but that's more down to revoking memories. Craig

I just saw Coldplay live on The Daily Show and can see where jennifer's comment above comes from. Kinda like U2 + Cure + Cocteau Twins + some others, all mooshed into this careful medium dynamic, but they're competent and cute and dress faux dangerously like rebel street poets who sleep in doorways, so there you go.

Well, people buy music for different reasons. Coldplay wrote some catchy tunes in the early days. Primarily they're a nice purchase for people who don't like music but want to stick something on in the background if they've got some friends round. That's fine. Art is also business and this kind of music is a service. The sad thing about Coldplay is that Chris Martin seems desperate to be interesting and - while he might be lovely bloke personally - he's not interesting in an artistic sense. I liked Oasis. They did what they did and it was good fun. Their best was simple, noisy pop-rock at its best.

Art is also business and this kind of music is a service. That's well put, David. Explains lots. I've heard our very own Enzo looks a bit like Chris Martin...but artistically, I think Ben is very interesting - how's the book named after the girls whose name I can't remember coming along?

"Coldplay wrote some catchy tunes in the early days" I remember people raving about their first album, never got to hear it myself though. Chris Martin's voice must be quite soothing though, they had a song about five years ago, couldn't tell you the name but it was played a lot, and it used to settle my eldest not long after he'd been born. Craig

Coldplay aren't even worth the time and effort of this thread. But leave off Oasis you buggars. It's OK to scoff now they are crap but don't forget whether you like it or not their first two albums were quite brilliant and music changing.

I don't know so much about music changing, but like I said earlier in the thread they introduced people to a vein of music they may not have explored before. Music changing, is well, music changing. A new sound, you know revolution. Whether you like them or not, think Elvis, the Beatles, The Sex Pistols, Joy Division, Grand Master Flash, something fresh and new. I'll probably get music buffs calling me up on some of the examples but you catch my drift. Craig

Champagne Supernova will always remind me of the bleep test at school, because it was on just before the teacher came back and tortured us...

This thread of conversation, on muscial change, brought to mind a memorable and emotive experience with Music. We were in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in Cleveland, Ohio. In a small auditorium, a large video screen portrays images of rock muscicians and accompanies ear slpitting musical favorites that evolved over a span of the last fifty years or so. As Jennifer mentioned above, we all have deeply embedded emotions and memories attached to these popular tunes.Many were aired at pivotal moments in our lives and are asscoiated with whatever we were feeling at that time. We stood and let the wash of memories, from many decades, drain us emotionally. It was a sad, happy, exciting, scary and scintilating rush of emotions that washed over me in a tidal wave of memories and left me literally drained and momentarily stunned. The power of music, and the emotions and memories that we attach to it, is far greater than ever I had realized. The Beatles call up a whole era for me.Jimmy Hendrix, The Doors, Jefferson Airplane and others are a whirlwind ride of the mind. A salud to those muscial artists who can evoke such feelings from us. J.X.M

But for ground breaking you won't beat Zappa - now that's music for you!

Exactly Tony, groundbreaking, something different. Many people don't like him though. Not me, I don't know his back catalogue but I have fond memories of Frank and wondering if he'd really just said that. Some female friends however didn't quite get the genius of his lyrics. Craig

Joe Strummer will be turning in his grave.

I doubt it, he was cremated. Has any one heard the band scouting for girls, aren't they great, I love the way each of their songs sounds so different from the last! That's a joke by the way, they make Dido sound experimental. Craig

And me! I like Youssou N'Dour, Bob Dylan, Bach, Verdi and Miles Davis - but most of all I love Frank Zappa. And that's Tony Cook talking, not Mark Brown - apologies for being logged in as him for various front page reasons!

Yes. I'm not hugely keen on any of the above. I like Half Man Half Biscuit. And John Cage. Luke Haines. And The Human League. And Sally Shapiro. And Dickie Davis. And gay disco. Cheers, Mark

I like alsorts of music, most of the above listed, even the classical stuff, though I can't identify different composers. Surprised noones mentioned the Jam or Stone Roses, or the Kinks for that matter but most of all I love Basshunter, only kidding. Craig

i bought the first 2 coldplay albums, then got bored of them, but if people want to continue buying them in their millions, so what

I bought the first and third Coldplay albums a couple of weeks ago as they were on offer at Gatwick Airport for two quid each. I have played them a few times but I can't say they do much for me. My wife likes them though - but not as much as the Amnesty International album of John Lennon songs by different people. It's strange what rocks your world.

Hey Tony, what's the ugliest part of your body?

If you haven't seen it then check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e3I0iagWXU Zappa at 22 years of age.

The Coldplay song I used to soothe my eldest to was called Yellow. He's autistic and even as a baby was lively and hard to calm, but singing that song used to sooth him, the words, 'look at the stars, look at the way they shine for you' were also meaningful seeing as he was my first born. I suppose good music should evoke some sort of emotional response no matter where you are or whatever you're doing, but sometimes it's where you are and where you're at. Hence my boost about Oasis early stuff, good times, always will be, rightly or wrongly, that's where I was in life. Not proud of my antics now, but at the time.... Good money, took the best years of my life as a consequence however. Craig