AhmadineBad?

Given that so called 'independent' commissions are usually the opposite I'll keep my doubts about who exactly was resposible for the 9/11 attack. Bearing in mind that the team of Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld and Cheney orchestrated a war and duped an oxbridge educated idiot into joining them. all of them are guilty of murder none of them will ever be charged. The Warren Commission lied to the nation when it produced their 'report' on the Kennedy assassination.

Same old story. Condemn the messenger, bury the message.

One may also wonder why A's translator had technical problems. ;)

Who are we conspiring against here? I think the hate eminating from Iran is preposterous. It was a very childish and immature allegation. But they could hardly point a finger at themselves. How ridiculous! Why is UN constantly a political forum? No solution to the dire needs of exposed populations.

Conspiring? Who me? Just discussing Ahmewhatsit.

Can we really imagine secret Republican agents engineering plane hijacks with some of their own supporters as innocent passengers and flying them into some of the highest status buildings in the US, including the defence headquarters? The Republican mayor of New York lost close friends, important police and fire brigade people, as well as a large proportion of New York's fire brigade? Bush was obviously unprepared for what happened. It just doesn't ring true at all to say there was a conspiracy, very far fetched and quite ridiculous. As for the wars : does anybody really think that if some ultra fundamentalist group with guns and a die hard philosophy came to the US or the UK we should suspend all elections and let them take power, imprisoning the female population in their homes and denying them medical attention or education, without at least a fight or asking allies to come and save us from these madcap bullies. As for Iraq : Saddam was one of the dirtiest players the world has ever seen, a born thug who bullied his nation into total submission a long time ago, as well as spreading conflict wherever he looked over his borders. I know civil conflict afterwards in Iraq was very tragic and costly, but who else than the US, with allies, could have ever got rid of him otherwise. Ahmedinedjad (is that correct?) says too much, a lot of it is quite false. I agree the West has many failings and needs to perform better economically etc to make the world a better place.

If Moslems just grab the now and future rather than onto the past (trying to live like a Prophet is very difficult anyway) and become more secular and grab a hold of modern methods and science (it has progressed ever so much over the last odd 750 years you know, we now even have dual core i7s..) we might have some peace. But that can only be achieved when the Middle East and Africe and Asia is serious and mature about peace. I think it is childish, immature behaviour of Ahmadinejad and achieves nothing very much constructive for him or his country. I also think there is a conflict between Scientific Methods of today and the life of Moslems. They are stuck in history and the past, which is a great shame. They also turn to believe in a form of Communism which is why they are great friends of China and Russia. Unfortunately Communism kills competition and development which we need in our modern societies (badly) for growth. But, we must never forget the vulnerable in society, or we become a two or three tier society, of the rich, classes, and absolute have nots, which isn't very nice if you are a have not.. So perhaps we need both Communism and Capitalism? I believe in a modern society which is free from religion. This is because, I know that the differences in how we pray and what we believe in (to be true) only creates hatred and wars amongst us. Look at the recent Our World programme aired on BBC NEWS today for example. The Christians are fighting for the right to pray in Indonesia (which may have some technology, but prevalently is still a backward country in my opinion because they cannot debate in their government without religious belief taking a foothold in government debate). Myself, I am a Moslem, but a Scientist first. Though I also believe in many other religions as well. I think those that pray to a God (or spirit) are good, which I believe is all you need in terms of belief. Education is so important, because (not just for a good job) it frees your mind. It allows you to question the unquestionable, and explore. It is Science, which brings people together, learning, communicating, living. So society must embody science more and religion less. I like British society, because there is no pressure to believe in any religion, it is upto oneself. Also, it is a world leader in terms of Science. The British do not stop people from believing in whatever they want to (as long as it's lawful). More societies should try to embody the British way of Life. Why do Moslem Indonesians feel so threatened by a handful of Christians? This kind of religious intolerance is sad and sets a bad light on the people. Religion is about the past, Science about the future. Grab the future now before the past takes over. That is what I think anyway, because, the past is full of atrocity, and hurt. Learn to live in a happier way. Educate yourself. Learn how to read and write and express yourself. Whatever happens to you in Life, however sad, happy you are, no one can take your learning away from you.

I think a lot of people worry Mangone. But they feel powerless.

Let's be blunt. Even the opposition in Iran is in favour of having a nuclear program. Israel will never feel secure until Iran has been bombed back into the stone age. Probably not even then.

A nuclear program? Sounds like they are on their way to stone age already. Either they reform from the medieval times or they regress. It's not a one way street up ahead. All I can say is ' Go Obama'- sorry but that is what I think about power. I suppose it is all I know ;)

It doesn't matter what the Iranians do or say. They will never be able to prove a negative. That's how Saddam got cornered.

With respect Mangone I don't want to get into discussing the rights and wrongs of the Mid. East mess. Better minds than mine have gone through the equation ad infinitum. I agree that Iran is entitled to nuclear power however but my sense is the last thing some people want to see is a modern Islamic state.

Not everybody believes in God. Do they have to get involved in ongoing regional disputes?

Very good point. It seems we're all getting sucked into the vortex whether we like it or not.

I see the events of 911, and the knee-jerk reactions to it i.e Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen etc. etc., as all part of the same package.

Aye Rabbie knew a thing or two. It's what happens when humans think they are doing God's will.