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Climate change

I have already inflicted this on my email list and I thought why not share with the lovely people on abc tales.

So far I have been thanked effusively by friends and family for providing cheery reading material.

But hey,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/climate/evidence/extreme.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/climate/evidence/too_late.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/climate/adaptation/life_at_home.shtml

I don't know about anyone else but I not loving the heat so much anymore.
Down with summer... sorry.

At least the BBC are trying, even if it is tucked away in a tiny corner on the website.

Span

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I despair at the inaction our self appointed "leaders" (there was a time when they were 'representatives', now they think they're 'leaders'). They spout so much hot air and do so little. Even Blair, with his little headline grabbing trip to California to sign a carbon trading deal with Schwarzenneger. Welcome, but not significant. Pesonally I think 'carbon trading' is little more than a device to carry on polluting. These people are so wedded to the lust for money that nothing else matters. You see it every time they talk; "protect economic growth", "we can't do anything that would damage our economy" etc etc. But hey! They're christians! Maybe they think their god will sort it all out for them. because if it comes to a contest between money and the planet and every living thing on it, well hell, money wins hands down. This odious fawning creep Blair will sign his tiny little deals while at the same time encouraging, by government subsidy, the exponential growth of air travel and refsing to do anything to limit aviation carbon emissions. Interestingly, there was an article in yesterday's paper about the Nobel winning scientist Paul Crutzen, who has devised a detailed plan to flood the stratosphere with sulphur particles to institute rapid 'global cooling' as a back up plan to save the world because of what he calls the 'grossly disappointing' and 'pitiful' response to calls for carbon emission reduction. I hope it works, cos we're gonna need it. The only real answer, sustained and radical cuts in carbon emissions, are what the politicians refuse to do.
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Radio Denver
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Just an opinion... I think "global warming" is a political issue ONLY. It is the result of humans overestimating their importance and contribution to global climate change. It makes for good television and reading, so we all want to jump on the band wagon. Now figure this...it's pretty much a known fact that we've just exited what is called the "Little Ice Age" What happens to global temperature following an Ice Age? IT RISES! We're looking at direct measurment for the past 150 years, seeing a rise in temperature and assuming we're the cause. BULLSHIT. Earths average temperatures were significanltly higher during medieval times. Why? Too many campfires? ...where were all the cars and industrial smoke-stacks then...how many people enhabited the earth back then? The earth has cycles...measurable...We live on a tiny rock, flying through space circiling a giant burning blob, also flying through space, things don't stay exactly the same. You can't take a tiny slice of earth's history and draw any type of conclusion. It's "Chicken little bullshit" and you're gonna pay for the perpetuation of the myth, Why? To sell soap and cell phones...we are nothing more than a pebble causing waves in a giant lake. Hey, make sure and watch your favorite television show...you're being educated. Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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I disagree, RD – but I’ve followed these forums enough to know there’s no use debating (other than for the sake of debating) with you, or anyone else. Different people see things differently, and I really have no desire to change anyone’s mind. It was a well-presented opinion, I will say. foster.
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Awwww...c'mon Foster...call me an ignorant simpleton American or something. Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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Interesting theory, Radio... Apart from the commercial aspects, maybe in the general human psyche it feels "safer" to think we are having some impact on the planet, even if we are damaging it, rather than accepting the reality of our monumental insignificance?? (where's Douglas Adams when you need him! ("God" rest his wonderful soul...)) ~PEPS~ “You do not truly know someone until you fight them.”

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Oo-er, I think you are trying a little wind-up here RD. It's bleeding obvious to one and all that global warming is happening. It may be that it's in line with an Ice Age but it's also very clearly happening at much the same time as we are destroying the ozone layer and that that is allowing more heat into our atmosphere. There's one we can do something about and another we can't. So tough titties - you yanks have got to pay more for your 'gas' (it's petrol to anyone else), get rid of your air con units and start behaving like citizens of the world and not just citizens of the USA.
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Juliet OC
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i have to say i was a sceptical for a long time convincing myself that global warming was as RD says a political issue. However the majority of the scientifc community from what i can gather have all converged on the same opinion, that human beings are causing this current catastrophe (based on lots of sophisticated climate models, which can isolate the human effect from other natural factors.) It frightens me how little our governments are doing - seeming to be accepting the inevitable, and i feel guilty for how little i am doing. It is no longer a political issue but a global one. this is a bit twee, but i wrote this a month back to try and express my fears. http://www.abctales.com/node/553344 Juliet

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RD - I think the most significant contribution to global warming is all the heat from that massive crack pipe you're smoking. Gee, I guess all the geophysicists and environmental scientists are knee-jerk panic-mongers and you know better.
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No crack here Bottle-rocket. Turn that television down, I can't hear you. Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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RD are you just disagreeing with this because nearly the entirity of the scientific and political world are in agreement? Peversity is sometimes just boring. Span
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Radio Denver
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Span, If you actually researched this, you'd find that "nearly the entirity of scientific and political world" isn't quite nearly the entirity you think it is. Mostly, this information is sponsored by people selling you snake-oil. Global Warming is a commercial success...jump on the wagon...be a good consumer...buy green...be a good consumer...everyone thinks its happening...(well everyone that thinks we're the cause that is) What ever you do, don't read anything that differs from your opinion...and most definately...watch those news stories on television, its for your own good. Keep that cell phone charged too, get one with a camera and little blue and red flashing lights and btw...we're all gonna choke on the gas from our own ass. 6.5 billion and counting...that's a lot of fart gas just wafting its way to the ozone layer. The problem is, can't sell fart gas on television. Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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I dont even have a television you dim witted fish Span
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Me neither my fellow cesium collector...me neither. Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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RD I really don't want to offend you and I don't want this to turn in to one of those long drawn out forum discussions that start to be funny even if the topic is serious, but I fear you are expressing a main stream American view. I probably am expressing a mainstream British view (or for that matter the majority of the world) Unfair or not I cannot take your opinion seriously while I see it only as a social symptom. Sorry other American folk who do see clearly. Span
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Juliet OC
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RD - do you have any links to your evidence of scientists disagreeing with what i thought to be a converging opinion, i would be interested to read the other side of this debate. Juliet

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Radio Denver
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Ohhhh...go ahead and do your own google, I'm sure it's out there. Here is one interesting link. I think it's a little more broad than simple global warming but there is some useful information on the subject and probably more links to other information. http://www.venganza.org/ I'm a firm believer that being in the minority opinion makes it more likely I'm correct. Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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Forgive him, he's american. have you not watched CNN? **whispers** they're saving the world remember. **stops whispering**

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mykle
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Not just you supporting Bush again then Radio? The Bush administration have developed a very sophisticated method for dealing with various problems including Global Warming. It's called the Ostrich effect - you tell people to trust you and bury their head in the sand... then, you continually shout : "Now listen to my voice. God bless America. Everything is great. God bless America We're winning the war against terror. God bless America. We're saving the world for democracy. God bless America. The economy is fine. God bless America. There is no such thing as Global Warming. God bless America. God chose me. God blessed America. George W Bush. Owner, oil and gas business. Bush's Enron Ties : campaign contributions - ring any bells? http://www.alternet.org/story/12155/
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Juliet OC
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thanks for the link RD - "You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s." serious evidence!! Juliet

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Radio Denver
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I'll tell you, I just don't know where us 300 million Americans would be without 56 million Brits crammed into a space smaller than Wyoming telling us what is wrong with us. George Bush has nothing to do with anything Mykle. He's just the guy you see on television. Did you know that Livestock account for 20% of greenhouse gas emissions in the world per year? Me...I'm one of the few...the proud...the Pirates! Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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Re: Bush's Enron Ties : campaign contributions - ring any bells? Bush's presidential campaign received $1.14 million from Enron. http://www.alternet.org/story/12155/ The top man died unexpectedly before he could be properly questioned, Denver. I believe someone else involved was recently found murdered in the UK. Did these bank chaps very recently famously extradited to the US have anything to do with the Enron scandal?
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Radio Denver
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Interesting about the Enron guy. He lived nearby, word has it he was an ill puppy for quite some time. I think it wasn't so unexpected and he most certainly was well questioned...he was found guilty at trial and was awaiting sentencing, which would have probably been for many years behind bars. He is now taking the long dirt nap, so time to move on to bigger and better things. I'm not one for digging up the past. Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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Yeah, but it was said that he was going to plea bargain by revealing very important info that had not been revealed at the trial - but then 'heart attack'.
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You can't plea-bargain after you've been found guilty. That would typically occur before you go to trial (you know...to save the time and expense and possible conviction on more serious charges) Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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I'm sure you are right about plea bargaining, Denver. Can't find what I'm looking for on the 'net... yet :O)
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You should be worried. Two sides to the arguement, yes the world does, every few million years or so, come to an 'end' due to climate changes etc. This is well documented. At present Earth's already over running on the usual cycle, possibly for a varity of reasons including the same way mammals have adapted over time. However, the idea that mankind is in no way speeding up the process is unrealistic and from what can be gathered, scientifically proven. That the Earth will at some point complete a cycle and that man is destroying the planet, while linked, are not the same arguement.
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Not definitely connected I suppose but since I've got it together... Enron - Baxter's Suicide Was Murder Say Top Cops "He knew where all the Enron bodies were buried and he was apparently ready to talk," former congressman John LeBoutillier, who attended Harvard Business School with former Enron CEO Jeff Skilling, told The ENQUIRER. http://www.rense.com/general20/murda.htm "Previously, even though Enron's practices had worried some regulators, the Bush administration had kept its distance. Over the last decade, the company and its chairman, Mr. Lay, may have been Mr. Bush's biggest financial backers, donating nearly $2 million to his campaigns. Before the company's recent problems came to light, Mr. Lay enjoyed unusually good access to top administration officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, who earlier this year drafted a new national energy plan that seemed to lean heavily on Mr. Lay's suggestions." http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/enron.html The so-called "NatWest Three," named for their former employer, National Westminster, have been the center of intense debate in the U.K. due to the controversial treaty the country has with the U.S. that has led to their extradition. http://blogs.chron.com/enrontrialwatch/archives/2006/07/the_british_are.... The FBI put out the following statement today about a potential witness in the case who was found dead in London this week:12th July 2006 On June 13, 2002, British citizen Neil Coulbeck was interviewed in his attorney's office in Great Britain by investigators as part of the ENRON corporate fraud investigation. Mr. Coulbeck was considered a witness in the investigation and the interview that took place was voluntary. He (Neil Coulbeck) was reportedly the man who approved the deal at the heart of allegations against the NatWest Three, who are being extradited to the US tomorrow on Enron-related charges. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1818891,00.html
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Sounds more like the curse of the Mummy's tomb to me. Severe coronary artery disease in a 64 year old man who was stressed to the point of total physical and mental breakdown couldn't possibly have had anything to do with his death. I wonder what that coroner was paid to falsify his autopsy? Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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Considering the amounts involved even I would have falsified Lay's autopsy :O) Seemed his death saved the family millions because he's not technically guilty since he died before sentencing. The other two deaths well...
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I have started to tie it all together :- Human activities over the last century – primarily burning fossil fuels – have changed the composition of the atmosphere in ways that threaten to dramatically alter the climate in the years to come. The United States is by far the largest worldwide contributor to global warming, releasing a quarter of the world’s carbon dioxide, the primary global warming pollutant. Power plants, cars, and light trucks are the largest U.S. sources of carbon dioxide. http://uspirg.org/uspirgnewsroom.asp?id2=24976 Since George Bush has been in power, the USA has indicated it will not sign up with the rest of the world on climate change issues and feel it is more beneficial to the American people to go it alone. The USA is in fact the only country to have signed up to the Kyoto Protocol and then backed out of it - this came about following the departure of President Bill Clinton and the arrival of President Bush. http://www.bbc.co.uk/climate/policies/usa_policy.shtml BUSH'S OIL MACHINE - This shows some of the key players in the US oil industry. http://www.war-times.org/issues/3art4.html That NSC document told 60 Minutes' vast audience the attack on Iraq was not about national security in the wake of 9/ll. It was not about weapons of mass destruction. It was not about Saddam Hussein's possible ties to Osama bin Laden. It was about stealing Iraq's oil, same way the British stole it three quarter of a century earlier. The major oil companies drew up the map, handed it to their man George, helped him (through such trusties as James Baker) steal the 2000 election and then told him to get on with the attack. http://www.energybulletin.net/174.html
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Apparently the only person who has considered that *maybe* global warming is a bit of *both* sides of the argument is God Almighty. As in, *maybe* there are and have been natural warming and cooling trends throughout the Earth's long history (and this is a proven fact), and that *maybe* we humans are exacerbating it with our carbon emissions and air conditioning (which is also supported by research)...? Why does everyone always have to take one side or another? Jesus wept, everyone needs an agenda to preach. Does America use 25% of the world's resources to fuel its gluttonous economy? Yes. But the world would be warming up whether we had air conditioning or not. That doesn't mean that people should continue with their thoughtless consumerism, but I don't think one can so easily blame America for global warming. That's too pat an answer. The idea of Ken Lay's death being suspicious is ridiculous. Unfortunate in terms of justice, yes, but I think consipiracists are barking up the wrong tree.
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That wasn't my point at all, Ag. I was arguing that the reason the US has renaged on its signing of the Kyoto agreement is that it does not want to cut down on its use of fossil fuel. I then set out to show that Bush has a very great vested interest in fossil fuel (oil) and that he saw oil to be important enough to invade Iraq. All we can argue from there is that whatever effect CO2 has on Global Warming - a very great one it seems - that America contributes 25% of it. Ken Lay and Enron is merely the street that lead to this highway and yet I must admit to being fascinated as to why the US used anti-terrorist legislation to get the so-called "NatWest Three" to the US to stand trial. It seems likely that someone is worried they know something important and equally likely that is why Neil Coulbeck who approved the deal is dead.
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Jack Cade
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Of all the arguments against Global Warming I've read (and there haven't been that many, I'll admit) the most convincing is Rush Limbaugh's 'ice cube in a drink' proof. Here it is: 1) Put an ice cube in a drink. 2) Watch it melt. 3) Note that the water level doesn't rise. That really sealed the deal for me. Seriously though, the logic is simple. If all we've read about Global Warming is cleverly worded baloney, then you need to explain to me what the *actual* effects are when a species introduces and makes constant use of millions of killer smog-farting vehicles in little over a century, at the same time as savaging most of the planet's ecosystem. Until someone comes up with a convincing explanation of how the planet copes with such rapid change in a manner that has no effect on its inhabitants, Global Warming is all we've got.
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The ice cube in a drink think only works in the case of the arctic, not the antarctic (or is it the other way around). The thing about the global warming thing, is it reminds me a hell of a lot of the apocalyptic population explosion thing that was so popular a few years ago, yet here we still are, with food to spare in the 1st world, and probably food to spare in 3rd world if they organised it properly and didn't have quite so many wars. That and it's based on climatology, a science that said on Friday it was going to rain on Saturday, yet I had a barbeque on Saturday and it was fine. The one sure thing though, is that the consequences of doing nothing and being right, are a hell of a lot worse than the consequences of acting but being wrong.

 

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Radio Denver
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On the Kyoto thing, I find it interesting that the only thing the US did was not agree to do something that Eurpoe agreed to do but hasn't been able to do. Any word on progress there? Seems you aren't living up to the treaty we didn't agree to sign. Aren't you supposed to be cutting your co2 to something like 2000 levels or 5% below, but nooooooo, nothings happening, matter of fact it's getting worse? Howz that happening, you have the treaty. That's the solution. It should be working! Now why agree to do something you can't do? So we're to blame because we didn't lie to everyone. Lets have a treaty that everybody gets free pizza on Friday nights. Now that is possible to achieve. Oh, and while I'm on a roll. The US produces 25% of the CO2 emissions, but in contrast to that, we produce 33% of the worlds GNP with only 4.5% of the worlds population. That means you guys are slackers in every sense of the word. Get up off your lazy butts and do some work and quit your whining. You love to hate us, but without us you'd be cooking dog meat on a stick over a fire in your back yard and you wouldn't have any movies to watch. Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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Archergirl, I do know what you mean. The lack of compromise in this forum is often exhausting. However, I personally rarely take a view on anything discussed. This I care about and is not a matter of being right or wrong and who is to blame, more that if we cannot be arsed to do anything about a rapidly changing climate due to whatever factors, then we probably don't deserve to survive anyway ( I hate the fact that sounds so cheesy, please excuse me) Everyone is to blame, it is simply that unfortunately for America they are still profitting immensely from the world's demise and don't seem to be willing to do anythign about it. As far as I can make out, this just adds to the ammunition to dislkike them as a nation. PLease don't think I am targeting anyone American who uses this site. The majority of my American mates are disgusting with their own country's behaviour and attitude. Of course the world's climate moves in cycles, I dont think anyone at any point has denied that. But I think Godalmighty (fnar) is right, we are ahead of schedule. Has no one else been distressed by the weather the past two years. This summer has really brought it home to me, the heat is gross and flash storms although stunning rather alarming in their force. I don't want to say goodbye to snow, at some point I want to visit ice countries and for them still to be there. I like green grass and non red people and at some point want to to live by the coast. Stuff that I have read has said that we are just going to have to adapt to summers this hot. ( ooking out the window today is not a great example) Buisness' and homes anwswer to this is to switch on air conditioning which in cities increases the carbon emission by 20 % I did not really start this thread to debate this. More to be a royal pain in the ass and try to persuade anyone who has not already done the basic stuff listed on the BBC website, to do so. Span Anyone up for rebuilding our house styles and having constant double glazing
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Oh and RD I know you think that holding the opinion of the minority makes you more liklely to be right. However, if you just dish out defensive insults it does not help your case. Span
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You're quite right that the UK has not been able to meet its targets, Denver. Not really a surprise since Blair is hand in hand with Bush. However, to change something you must first admit the problem. We have at least got that far. Since you are always pedantic with me Denver: since GNP is Gross National Product do you now contend that the US is the world? Actually, after a quick glance it seems it is now called GDP Gross Domestic Product and seems to be more about the amount of money sloshing about in the economy than what is actually produced. However, if you consider the EU as a whole it does have a higher GDP than the US. So now we just need to compare the CO2 emissions for both.
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Actually it just is not worth the effort because it is overwhelmingly obvious that everything is run by the 'powers that be' and we are powerless to make any real difference in practice. Just as public opinion has had little or no real effect upon the Middle East crisis so it is with everything else. Governments pay lip service and make well publicised promises but then quietly change the targets, break their promises, use new statistics to misguide and misdirect. In other words we live in a 1984 world and the only real effect we make is by how we spend our money and even that is largely controlled by advertising! The fact that they are still getting away with the divide and conquer ploy is so sad.
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mykle: we must not despair! I think that the powers that be want exactly that, to render everyone powerless, either by fact or by feeling. We must never underestimate the deeply sinister and malevolent purposes of government (inc. the civil service and other govt. agencies) They want absolute control over everything, esoecially over people. That's why they want to impose ID cards on us all, with compulsory fingerprinting, databases, etc. The shame of the New Labour Fascist government is that they have gone along with this agenda. BUT ordinary peopel will always fight back. There are many movements to restore democracy (Power commission, Make My Vote Count, and loads more: just follow the links). As the NLF and agencies see it, your role is to forego your humanity and individuality and be reduced to a cipher whose role is to stump up the cash (by compulsion, under threat if you don't) and legitimise the process by voting every few years. But what if we don't? What if no-one voted any more? The effect of not voting is very powerful indeed. So many millions of people in this country are fighting back one way or another, so please don't think there is no hope.
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Thanks Reckless, and thanks too to you Denver for leading me by the nose until I finally saw what you meant!
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mykle
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Blair says Syria and Iran risk confrontation... and so step by step we head toward a final confrontation in which no-one can be certain who will side with whom but only that so very many people will die (on both sides) in the name of 'Freedom' - not realising they have been controlled from birth through to death. Still, it may help the climate change problem in the long run... or leave no-one to care.
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My, you folks have been busy! Isn’t it ironic (I feel a song coming on…) that, as Archergirl says, GodAlmighty is the only person around here (apart from yours truly, that is… and AG…) who proudly declares their fence-sittery…? Ooh, I’ve just realised… GodAlmighty is “GA” and Archergirl is “AG”… could they be one and the same, perchance…?! Anyhoo, onto the whole Climate Change kerfllooey… Firstly, wise words from Maddan… the consequences of doing nothing and being right, are a hell of a lot worse than the consequences of acting but being wrong ...but about the “apocalyptic population explosion thing that was so popular a few years ago,” I’m personally of the opinion that this is still something to be very much concerned about. The fact that it doesn’t seem that popular to talk about it anymore doesn’t make it less so. And the numbers are clearer and more obvious than those regarding Global Warming and so on (not that I don’t believe GW is happening, just that it’s a more complex issue)… The population is increasing. It’s inevitable and inexorable and no one in a position of power seems too concerned about it – even less so than GW. If it keeps increasing, it’s bound to cause problems – ecological, social, economic, you name it – maybe in 20 years, maybe in 200, but it’s not a problem that will go away. People must be convinced to stop having so many babies! Anyway, chin up everyone, at least we’ve got each other, eh? :-) :-) :-) ~PEPS~ “You do not truly know someone until you fight them.”

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Radio Denver
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Span, My tongue is firmly in my cheek, most of what I say is exaggerated for effect. I do ; however, have some tiny measure of pride and feel compelled to combat the constant knee jerk ragging about "America", when I see people from other nations doinig little to clean their own back yards of their own messes. Most of the people I associate with personally here where I live are very concerned about things and are very active with their efforts to make this a better world and even closer to home, a better country. Mykle, I'm not being pedantic with you. I really do think you speak in gross "glittering generalities" with a very Anti-American bias and sound more or less like a stuck record with your repetitive slamming of a country and people you probably have very little true knowledge of, but I don't know what you know, I only know what you say on these forums. You also seem to have a serious issue of double-standards that you apply selectivly to any argument. So as for my debative nature with you, it is nothing more than me not going softly into the night. People talk...this is only talk. I have no doubts about our significance as solutions to the worlds problems. I know this much...I wouldn't trade places with you for any reason. I like being American and I like living in America. Overall, t is one pretty cool place. Nothing you nor I think or say will change the facts. Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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Oh, hey. I remember another great argument from an educated American fed up with being finger-wagged by the rest of the world. Something like, "Why should I have to live with the lights out just so the next generation can turn them on again? Nu uh - no deal." That put me in my place. It's quite astounding how the only people on Earth intelligent enough to see through the Global Warming ruse are also, by an incredible stroke of fate, the ones who have the most to lose if serious steps are taken to combat it. I'm also continuously stunned by the Jeremy Clarkson coincidence. Would you believe that a man who doesn't believe in Global Warming *also* has his career in driving fast cars? I'm being sarcastic, of course, but then you could say the same of us lot. In truth, we only really believe in Global Warming because it's convenient, easy and comforting, and not in any way a threat to our lifestyles.
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I entirely understand your viewpoint Denver. You are the world's ONLY super-power. You can do whatever you like and everyone else can like it or lump it. You have showcased to the world what fantastic weaponery you have via Iraq. You are now demonstrating that the views of rest of the world are meaningless... that the UN is powerless and that you can bully any country you like in the name of the war against terror. It must be so spiritually rewarding to know that you are part of God's plan. God save America. Oops, did I say bully... of course I meant help the misguided see the light and realise the true beauty of the American way of life.
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GodAlmighty
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Hold up a minute, though RadioDenver needs no help in his putting his case across do you not think that's all a little patronising. For one, from what I can make out RD isn't George Bush. And for two, (damn can't stop starting them sentences with For and And). How can anyone in the UK judge US domination? Aside the fact the UK was the last lot doing the any worldwide dominance prior to the US, the UK are in agreement with Bush. Change the word America to Britain in your rant Mykle and ask yourself the same question. As I mentioned in an earlier post. The Earth goes through cycles, what will happen will happen in the end anyway, man is speeding things up so it's all down to what we want to do about it. What will be sacrificed? Less petrol? Less what? The ideal answer would be absolutely everything that harms the ozone. Would man be prepared to go back to that. 'Let he/she who's without sin throw the first stone,' (revised and edited 2006).
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Radio Denver
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God...Almighty...even though I don't think you really exist, I may change my mind. Mykle...lots of "you" in those words...."I" haven't done any of that. The most "I" ever did was refuse to shoot an unarmed civilian about 30 years ago for which I got in a little hot water over. But, YOU can think what you like about ME. O-tay? Oh, and don't forget to drink your Ovaltine. Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

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mykle
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Well, GA, for a god your omniscience seems a little lacking. While it would be true to say that Blair is in agreement with Bush I'm sure the UK is not. Personally, I'm not even sure that the US is in agreement with Bush - but then that's democracy at work :O) At the time that Britain was a super-power there were others on a more or less equal footing. Now the US stands alone as a super-power. "The Earth goes through cycles, what will happen will happen in the end anyway." Well, true, what will happen will happen - great prediction! Can't argue with that. It seems a bit like saying your going to die in the end... so you might as well get it over with - but I can see why that might appeal :O) However according to your book it all ends rather soon now in a place in Israel (Armageddon). The bad guys get bashed and you take over. Of course if that's what Bush's supporters are relying on they should consider that since the evil army is destroyed within Israel who is it likely to be? I'd have said that the only army likely to be in Israel is the Israeli army - so that doesn't sound likely then does it? Or maybe you're still angry about your son.
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mykle
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Denver, I love the cool image that you so confidently create but some of us haven't forgotten your very recent pre-fishing trip hysteria and remember what you originally posted before you nipped back a few days later and quietly deleted the worst :O)
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