Fleece 2

AG doesn't need a sword, she's got a bow and arrow remember? Besides, AG's tits don't hold a candle to mine but let's not get into that discussion as it might lead to more discussion about Fleece. Yawn.

There is a film called Wonderboys about struggling writers and failed writers and the like (it's really very good, watch it if you get a chance) where Rip Torn plays an annoyingly successful writer in town for a literary festival. He gives a speech twoards the end of hte movie which he starts by proclaiming grandly and self importantly 'I am a writer.' The hall errupts into applause whilst the main character looks on and thinks 'prat.' It's a beautiful queasy hillarious moment. Everytime anyone says 'because we're writers', or 'as a writer', or anything else about being a writer I immediatly flash back to the film Wonderboys and think 'prat.' Please stop it.

I am a Times Tabler *applause* Speaking of films about 'writers' - did anyone see a play on television years ago, about a creative writing course with George Segal ? It's been bugging me for ages and Google comes up with nothing. It was set in England and he was a professor.... like Dan, I find myself flashing back to it constantly. It was a comedy.

Ah. So ** :o) ** Pepsoid ** :o) ** believes that AG is not Galfreda and Dr Jekyll. Words cannot express how that makes me smile. If ** :o) ** Pepsoid ** :o) ** says it is so, then it MUST be! I know, what I know and AG (bless her) knows it full well too. I think it's startlingly funny, and don't mind at all whether she trolls or not - she can suit herself. What I DO mind, is that she presents herself as above such, when evidence suggests the contrary. This is not a conclusion I have reached through 'feelings', it is grounded in concrete fact. ** :o) ** Pepsoid ** :o) **, how thoughtful of you to restart a thread that no one is really interested in, bless your little cotton bootees too.

No, it doesn't. Read my post carefully, and you'll notice I intimated as such. (** ~strewth~ **)

... but Cath, you seem so very _bothered_!

http://www.koopress.co.uk/speaking.htm Hahahaha! Pepsoid, you crack me up. You wait until the *fighting* (for want of a better term) is over, then fire it back up again with load of a sanctimonious drivel. Plonkers like you are exactly what AG feeds upon. Ask yourself this, if AG treats this place as a bit of fun (which is what I do) why did she go to such lengths yeterday and this morning to to try and prove it wasn't her, huh? That's an awful lot of wasted energy from someone who allegedly doesn't give a flying fuck. Over the years here, I've been accused of being all sorts of trolls, mainly wrongly but occasionally right, and I ignore them. AG's denials and put downs on her accusers only serve to make her look even more guiltythan she is (although you are probably too naive to see that). Oh, you mention qualifications. Yes, it's no big deal but how abc users do you see going onandonandon about them? One? Yes, AG. Ask yourself why she feels the need to do this. Does anyone else here do it with any regularity? You see, it's not needed. What you write in this forum will be judged by its many readers... the fact that someone says "oh, and btw, I've got a degree in whatever, so I must be right" just makes their opinion look even more stupid. I can't recall ever mentioning my credentials (don't go there) online and can't forsee a forum occasion when I will need to. I *do* find it funny tho' how you feel the need to defend AG because you do not beleive she can be the sex-obsessed, scrotum-loving, knob-joker, Jekyll. I *do* wonder tho' what your response would have been if it had turned out to be Saggy who was Jekyll. Can't see you defending her with "what’s wrong with injecting a bit of “character” into our online personalities?" Can you? And, Pepsoid, this is a free forum, so don't tell me to shut up (although I wish you would). Take the piss out of me by all means (as I will you - and have done) but please don't flex your forum muscles it makes you seem more Larry Lampshade than you are. :-)

Blimey!!! Is it getting interesting again here?

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I would just like to confirm to Hemorrhoid that I am not Dr Jekyll/Ag/Galfreda. I hate scrotums, they are all dangly and inconvenient.

Oh! How I love this! I get to be the centre of everyone's heated debate, and I didn't have to do *anything*! And people are *still* wrong! Ho ho ho hohohohoho! CC, toots, you only got part of the message right. You got the 'concrete'; you don't have all the facts. No, you don' t know the half of it. But keep it up. I love watching tits jiggle. Pepsoid, I thankee kindly, sai, for your manly words. 'Tis a noble cause you stand for. I'd like to confirm to Saggyhairyarseladee that I'm not Pepsoid, but it would be okay with me if I was. Stormy, you *do* go onandonandon, sugarpops. Get back to your bingo game now, there's a good boy. PS Hey Flash! Good to read ya! ;-)

I'm a little confused, is it groups who are fighting here or is it a free for all? Or does no one really know who is who, so individuals are pretending to be groups. Okay I'm a lot confused it's all very strange, bunch of tit stroking mass debaters, very amusing though.

*consulting legal team regarding thread copyright theft*

I think what we have here is the writers equivilant of the journalists 'slow news day'! Would be better down the pub over a drink or two though... Those hiding behind pseudonims can put a bag over their head to hide their identity :)

Wouldn't that be everyone? Sorry guys but my real name isn't Meremortal I'm a complete fraud...for safety reasons I've selected a paper bag to wear.

"I think what we have here is the writers equivilant of the journalists 'slow news day'!" Skinsen has hit it on the head, methinks. Too many people with too much creative energy and too few outlets. Meremortal, save the bag; I'm sure you're beautiful. As to your query about groups and people pretending to be groups, you are right on both counts. Plenty of people who scream on here about trolls actually have a few hiding in their closets, to bring out when the moon is right. Other people, whose names I won't mention, change their username more often than they probably change their pants; in fact, it's the whiff that gives their real identities away. Some people stomp off the forum in a huff after giving a moving soliloquy about why they're departing, then reappear a few months later after they've calmed down. It's all silly childish stuff, but quite harmless. I've been thinking about doing a PhD on the topic of forums, Stormy. Whatdaya think? *chortle*

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Why go searching for a 'sillypepshead', the one you use all the time is stupid enough. Isn't it time you started another of your childish crap threads about the colour of your faeces, or some such? Stormy is right, why would anyone even WANT to keep telling us about how educated they are? It's now my belief that AG is actually Sean 'I'm a genius' Nelson.

"Stormy, you *do* go onandonandon, sugarpops." OK, enough is enough. No more pseudo-affectionate nicknames nestled in pwease-mummy barbs. It's the most annoying kind of personal attack I've ever come across. ~ I'll Show You Tyrants * Fuselit * The Prowl Log * Woe's Woe

Ah Jack, spot on. I find those wondefullly labeled 'pwease-mummy barbs' a little Jasper-esque I must say. They also make me think of those adults who wear nappies and spanked. What I found funny is that you AG are always stating how this is such a lot of fun for you, whilst everyone else is so serious, and sad, and obsessed with no creative outlet. Hmmm. Looking at people's publishing records shows that to be wrong. Has it never crossed your mind that people add to these threads because they find it fun too? You imagine everyone's 'real' selves to be so 2 dimensional. If the reasons you say you come in here, to laugh at the rest of us basically, then doesn't that mean you think it's fine to be the equivalent of a fit, able-bodied person running into a care home for the eldery, doing cartwheels and going 'nah nah nah nah nahhh'? Either way, it don't make you look too hot. I think Dr Jekyll is probably a well-primed relative who has access to your computer, but I'm not losing sleep over it.

(add 'like to be' before the word spanked please)

I have no qualifications. Zero, zilch, nada. Not an O level to my name. But I always enjoy AG's postings as do I her writing. Also Poetjude who's just loveliness and poetry itself. Maybe I'm missing something (which is possibly a good thing) but I've never felt that AG was or has been posturing. She seems intelligent with a ready wit. But it does seem to be the men on here that find her in some way threatening. I dunno, maybe having 5 sisters has something to do with my ease around women, but I do have 3 brothers, all of whom I get along with. I think the point I'm trying to make from my own standpoint is that if anyone, with my own lack of qualifications, I would smell posturing on an intellectual level, and would find it offensive. But I just don't get that from AG. God, is'nt this just the best writing site around? I know. I've been trawling. Sheesh! Who the fuck wants to debate with ignorant 15 year olds in textspeak?

The inevitable sequel to Fleece has opened across the forum to slow audiences. Despite some wonderful cameo appearances, Fleece 2 fails to recreate the tension of the original. The action jumps straight in at the troll debate – and that is the problem. We’ve just *had* the troll debate. Tellingly, the retail industry has been slow to take up merchandising this time round. A spokesman from Burger King said their customers had at least one set of trolls already and that it was too soon to consider yet another troll-doll tie-in. Even McDonalds, ever mindful that the thread could take a late turn in interest, are avoiding any initial investment by telling kids to place their happy bags over their heads to imitate their favourite troll. The producer and writer of the original was unavailable for comment, but insiders say she is unhappy that her original message – don’t wear fleeces if you want to get shagged – has been entirely overlooked.

'Off you go now lovie. Have fun.' - cath_carr 'No more pseudo-affectionate nicknames nestled in pwease-mummy barbs. It's the most annoying kind of personal attack I've ever come across.' - Jack Cade 'I find those wondefullly labeled 'pwease-mummy barbs' a little Jasper-esque I must say. They also make me think of those adults who wear nappies and spanked.' - Fergal Well, well, best get Cath a nappie and spank her butt then. What size would that be - extra large? Styxbroox, you are a fine, fine man! I never thought of it as posturing, either, and when I *am* posturing it's so patently obvious even a 15-year-old txtspkr could see it. But it seems to really offend certain people, especially people who have gone to university. Maybe they feel their qualifications aren't good enough? Ah well, they aren't everything. Fergal, I think you must have issues with coming on here yourself, as you rise so nobly to defend yourself and others, not to mention you are *still* at risk of taking this seriously. I've *never* done cartwheels in front of an 'eldery' person but I may have to try it. Perhaps I won't wear any pants under my cheerleader skirt and give the old boys a thrill. Jack, give us a kiss, doll. Hoo hoo hoo!

I'll keep my fleeces, thank you, and be damned to the fashion industry. They advocated gold lame' at one time.

Well there you have it, I love to wear nappies and be spanked so I must be AG. Plus, I'm responding immediately after her post. Back to fleeces eh? ___ yawn___

Well we now know that fleeces are a suprisingly controversial subject and can cause all manner of trouble. Perhaps it's time for the banning of the shamed garment - maybe we should throw hoodies in with fleeces and be done with the whole lot, we could replace them with woolen cardigans with leather elbows.

Oooh! Great idea! I _love_ those cardies! Oh, dear, I used an underscore. I _must_ be Dr. Jekyll.

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ha ha 2Lou, that is very good. thanks Styx. I tend to remain pretty neutral in any spats, not out of nobility but because I am not very good at arguing my case and will lose. Also I am a weasley coward who wants to see who will win before taking sides. I've only really had a problem with a post on two occassions that I can recall. One a vulgar verbal homophobic attack and the other was the written equivalent of totally unprovoked GBH. On both occasions I did actually say something. But generally, if I think somebody is being smug, conceited, angry, small-minded, snobbish, childish, grandiose, deluded or just plain dumb, I have been all those things and more at some time or another in my life. I mean I used to vocalise the most horrific and ignorant political views on this forum, but nobody attacked me - they might have argued against me but never personally. Sometimes I agree with one side, sometimes with the other, sometimes in between, more often I can't be bothered. I try not to show which way I swing in these kinds of discussions - see reference to my cowardice two paragraphs up. Of course I don't succeed. Allegiances and opinions are easily betrayed.

Jude, I have a greater-than-sneaking suspicion that you are the wisest of souls. You play it the best way, whatever your reasoning.

'I think you must have issues with coming on here yourself, as you rise so nobly to defend yourself and others' You've got me AG. You've found my achilles heal - I've always considered rising nobly to defend myself and others a particularly deplorable trait. You're right Jude, it is nice to step back when one can, and I'm not known for getting involved, but I refer, for the last time on the fleece thread, to my last post. (takes liberty of quoting herself) "If the reasons you say you come in here, to laugh at the rest of us basically, then doesn't that mean you think it's fine to be the equivalent of a fit, able-bodied person running into a care home for the eldery, doing cartwheels and going 'nah nah nah nah nahhh'?" I have no problems with coming on here, or why I do. I like it, tis why. I like reading the stuff on here (fiction and forums), I like talking crap, I like that lots of people here are some of the best I've met. I know what I like. I even like posting on a thread like this where the person who always says she is above such things takes an active part in such things while mocking everyone else for taking it seriously. Do you seriously believe that by sticking exclamation marks, baby language and *chortling* this proves you are not taking it seriously? Do you really? I hate to say this, but I think you are misguided if you believe people have posted on this thread because they are threatened by you. If that wasn't so funny I would be afraid. Anyway, I'm off to go and do worrying and hateful things such as rise nobly.

Fergal, I think your writing is quite fabulous, but your nobility really is in question (lowering things so soon after Poetjude raised them so elegantly). Unless you meant you were going to rise knobly, in which case I salute you, darling.

AG - I'm not one of those engaged in off-site email note-swapping with other members (not, I hasten to add, that I think there's anything wrong with that) so I had no idea you were Dr. Jekyll or that other person. I had no suspicions, and,. honestly, I don't generally have a problem with you at all. But you've really let the cat out of the bag now. If I were accused of being a troll with a reputation for falling horribly short of cutting wit, I'd be very eager to prove, in all sincerity, that this wasn't the case. All this 'oh, darling-face dollykins, you're working too hard - let's put it all behind us' business is a hundred times more suggestive of your guilt than any ISP comparison. Imagine a film with an undercover villain at a tea party. His bumbling sidekick inadvertently blurts out, "Actually, we came to steal the -" and the villain kicks him in the shins before laughing uproariously and saying, "Splendid cake!" That's how it looks, I'm afraid. Also, the last Dr. Jekyll post carries on the exact same tone of the last Archergirl post. And, as I pointed out on the original fleece thread, you're pulling RD's unconvincing 'This is all a game to me' dodge, which *one* of you must have half-inched from Dragonball Z - where battered characters suddenly declare, "Ha! I was only toying with you! I have only been using a tenth of my true power!" Golden rule: anyone who tries to make out that they don't take something seriously is taking it way too seriously. ~ I'll Show You Tyrants * Fuselit * The Prowl Log * Woe's Woe

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Ooooh! I stand *corrected* by all and sundry! Misguided wittle me! I suppose it never occurred to me that it never occurred to other people that I like coming on here and winding people up, those who insist on being wound up, that is. I like it. 'Tis fun. I'm not, unfortunately, as high-minded as Jude. But fergal, there's nowt wrong with coming on here and defending someone/thing nobly, is there? It's just that, when someone does it for *me*, or I do it for someone "unlikeable" like Jasper, it's not seen as noble by the Moral Majority who 'own' this forum and piss on all the little ether-trees and show their ugly troll-ish bits. Jack: note: I am not, at last logon, Dr. Jekyll. Normally I don't have a problem with you, either, but suggesting that I have some interest in DragonballZ is really taking the cake. And I take this VERY seriously; that's why I'm on here protesting. I was all set to have a peaceful weekend; now you've got me all wound up.

Ah, AG, 'tis I who have you all wound up and what a pleasure it is to do so _ daaarling_! (best southern drawl)

My whole life people have been lambasting me for not taking things seriously, and suddenly it turns out to be a virtue.

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'But fergal, there's nowt wrong with coming on here and defending someone/thing nobly, is there?' No, you're right. I hadn't really thought there was a moral majority who own the forum, but maybe it does come across like that sometimes. When a group of people agree and another group disagree that is bound to happen. I have noticed that these groups are not as fixed as you might suggest - and I think there is some paranoia as to 'groups' here - and people, mostly, say what they think on each issue, sometimes agreeing with some, and othertimes agreeing with others. I think Jaspar was a benchmark case, as he did some things which were serious, not like this back-and-forthing here. However, I am happy to leave it there as I don't like to argue - and for me this was a one issue spat - and I have a raspberry trifle in the fridge that needs eating

"You should really have better things to worry about than me." And *you* shouldn't confuse 'worrying about you' with 'mentioning you in a post wholly directed at someone else', however tempting it might be, upon seeing your handle, to assume that you've become the centre of attention. AG - I really don't think it's a good idea to talk of a 'moral majority'. Much as it seems, when you're entrenched in a bitter argument, like most of the site is against you, we're only talking about three or four people at most here, who, for, whatever reason, have a personal dislike/distrust of you - not a cabal of site guardians who leap as one cohesive force on everyone who disagrees with them. I also think being frank about how it winds you up is a much better option than playing the extensive-sarcasm game. If someone is plainly upset then, however much they may have been 'asking for it', there's always the beginnings of sympathy and understanding. To maintain a facade of indifference instead projects a kind of opaque arrogance. ~ I'll Show You Tyrants * Fuselit * The Prowl Log * Woe's Woe

Hentwink. I'm a broadcast from the ether, nothing more. In this case, I'm a broadcast directed at you. You still talk shit and don't know shit. But, it is fun to pull your chain while I eat my egg & toast sandwich and drink my coffee. So how is your day today? Do anything productive yet? (in your life I mean, not today) Did the pimples clear up? Visit me http://www.radiodenver.org/

Agggh - don't bring up the Jasper fiasco, AG. IMO it doesn't help your argument at all and frankly, the quotes you put round, ‘unlikeable’ speak volumes. Yes you defended Jasper, at the expense of defending anybody else. He wasn’t disliked by your despised majority because he was wearing the wrong trainers. He was disliked because he hogged the forums with increasingly vile, misogynistic and obscene posts. When he started saying what a good bloke Hitler was and that the Jews had it coming to them (with details as to why), you said Jaspie was just joshing and reprimanded others for 'ganging up' on him! It wasn't 'ganging up' it was simply a lot of individuals all being sick of the same person at the same time. You excused him absolutely anything but heavily criticized those of us who criticized him – do you not see the problem with that? If you’re not consistent, it’s going to come across as hypocrisy.

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2Lou, I get your point about Jasper; for all my little spats with certain parties, Jasper DID wind people up, bigtime. I wasn't *for* Jasper so much as I was *against* people witch-hunting other members, as happens on occasion; especially those members who posit, shall we say, disagreeable opinions to the 'majority' (and yes, I agree there is a line over which one shouldn't pass, and perhaps he did, although I didn't pay much attention to what he said, anyhow). But again, instead of seeing it all as a bunch of crappy guff and bluster, people started taking it too seriously. Jack, I don't ever feel like the whole site is against me; there are quite clearly different 'parties', and they shift: 'pro', 'con', and 'neutral'. But one has to admit that it does get pretty ridiculous around here sometimes; people get real bees in their bonnets about other members. When I say 'moral majority' I am simply pointing out a somewhat predictable group of people who feel they ought to have more agency over how the forums operate than they actually do. And it *is* fine to admit when something winds you up; child murdering winds me up, as do nuclear powerstations (sorry, Jude!). I find it hard to believe, however, that people get wound up over suspicions and accusations of trolling, when it's rife on here, and make it into a kind of trial-by-ether. It's just silly. Fergal, a trifle is a wonderful thing to take one away from sniping tiffs on the forums. Do enjoy it! I agree, fighting gets tiresome. But it's a good distraction after a long day doing other things you'd rather not be doing, like filing! :-) My son is now begging to play Lego Star Wars, and I might join him.

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http://www.koopress.co.uk/speaking.htm "I've been thinking about doing a PhD on the topic of forums, Stormy. Whatdaya think? " I think it would be good for you... you could analyse your own posts and realise what a tit you are making of yourself. It would also go nicely with your MA on 'non-stop talking'. I drove past Shire Hall the other day and swear I saw a two-legged donkey in the car-park.