Messing with things we don't fully understand

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Messing with things we don't fully understand

For the first ever man initiated nuclear explosion, the Trinity Test, betting pools were set up for the results of the test. According to Wiki, Some predictions ranged from zero, a dud, to 18 kilotons of TNT (predicted by I. I. Rabi), to destruction of the state of New Mexico, to ignition of the atmosphere and incineration of the planet (fortunately, this result was calculated to be almost impossible beforehand, though for a while it caused some of the scientists some anxiety). As it turned out, Rabi won the bet.

Strikes me as being extremely foolish risk and and it was rather fortunate (or maybe not, I've never been to New Mexico) that it wasn't as catastrophic as some of the predictions.

Which brings me to my point. The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) currently being built at CERN will be able to smash protons together at ridiculously high speeds. There have been a number of safety concerns. Again according to Wiki, these concerns are:

Creation of a stable black hole
Creation of strange matter that is more stable than ordinary matter
Creation of magnetic monopoles that could catalyze proton decay
Triggering a transition into a different quantum mechanical vacuum

CERN performed a study to investigate whether such dangerous events as micro black holes, strangelets, or magnetic monopoles could occur. The report concluded, "We find no basis for any conceivable threat."
All the evidence points against but as one of the leading researchers said, "it is astonishingly unlikely that there is any risk - but I could not prove it."

Still makes me a little nervy but I know that is because I have a paranoia that borders on psychosis. So let the research go on! I think the faint chance of annihilation is a small price to pay for the knowledge of the nature of our Universe that this will engender!

There's more risk of us being annihilated by a sun flare. CERN represents the staggering achievements we've made during the past 300 years so let's put our trust in our scientists. They kill less people a day than a backward religious group does. There's an interesting article in the 50th anniversary edition of New Scientist last week which covers the future of a world without the "mad aunt" that is religion. It's an excellent collectors piece too (the mag that is) because it covers the 6 or so most profound questions of our present time (reality, consciousness, after-death, etc). High-speed particle collisions have been going on since the 70's...let's up the stakes! :) There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed - Dennett

There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed -
Dennett

I did it with drugs, took a couple of decades to sort out, it was pretty bad for society, at least in the area I inhabited. nobody
As far as I understand it (which is not very far at all), is Stephen Hawking is correct a micro black hole would not survive long enough to do any damage. This is a periodical fuss every time they build a bigger collider. The big gold ion smasher they built a few years ago was supposed to produce negatively charged stranglets which would worm their way to the centre of the earth and eat it from the inside out. So far it hasn't (fingers crossed). A lot more powerful collisions happen in space every day and still nothing has destroyed the moon. If it happens we should get a few months before the world collapses, so we will at least get the satisfaction of going to switzerland armed with pitchforks and flaming torches and smashing it up.

 

What's happened to all the lsd? I had to pay through nose for 1/2 ounce of salvia emerald essence from Daniel Siebert. That is unbelievably strong stuff. My mate became a monkey's tail and I became a trumpet child. There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed - Dennett

There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed -
Dennett

I must admit, this sort of thing does concern me a little. I read a book on quantum theory a couple of years or so back, in which they said something about there being a miniscule chance of creating a black hole that would destroy the entire universe. Miniscule chance… fine. But… The entire universe. Everything! All things! Not just a town, a country, hell even a planet… but… !!THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE!! Yes, I am a little concerned. (can’t remember what the book was, off hand, but I’m sure it was by one those chaps who knows what they are talking about – Mr Gribbin or somesuch) [[[~P~]]] ... What is "The Art of Tea"? ... (www.pepsoid.wordpress.com - latest... Review of "Casino Royale")

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Don't worry, peps. The holographic principle (which is fave theory in the physics community at the mo) states that events in the universe are only holographs of 'real' events taking place on a horizon (at the edge of the universe and such). Plus, a sigularity wouldn't hurt - relativity predicts that time would become meaningless. It'd probably take us what seems like eternity before we go crunch :) Information (matter) is always preserved, my friend. There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed - Dennett

There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed -
Dennett

No need to call on Flash Gordon yet then? http://www.sing365.com/music/Lyric.nsf/Flash-Flash's-Theme-lyrics-Queen/6CA5E4163F4ADB9F482568940003B30B [[[~P~]]] ... What is "The Art of Tea"? ... (www.pepsoid.wordpress.com - latest... Review of "Casino Royale")

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I know it is not only a silly fear but also quite hypocritical of me, who moans about people without the faintest clue about life science, bitching about GM and cloning and standing in the way of progress. I admit to having practically no grasp of the science here and there I am listening to scaremongers and being most unscientific. That is why I must take any traces of paranoia and crush it. I read that latest issue of NS Yan, and whilst I can't see the direct relevance here, that was a very interesting article. For those who don't read NS, the article was entitled 'Beyond belief: In place of God' ...it needs a new thread!

 

Still trying to get my head around the 'we're a computer simulation' argument, Jude. :-0 There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed - Dennett

There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed -
Dennett

Like the sound of that, Yan - sounds a bit Matrix-y! Care to expand...? {{{_"P"_}}} ... What is "The Art of Tea"? ... (www.pepsoid.wordpress.com - latest... Review of "Casino Royale")

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'Care to expand...?' Buy NS, peps, it does a better job than I'm about to. In a simple little nutshell (ie, coming from my brain) 50 years from now it's looking likely that we'll have the technology to create computer simulations. Not only that but we might be able to introduce conscious beings to that simulated world. If we achieve this then we're faced with the strong possibility that if intelligent agents can create such worlds then we can't rule out the possibility that we are simulations too. It goes alot deeper than that in the article, using a 3 pronged premise to support the 'inevitable' and quite scary conclusion. There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed - Dennett

There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed -
Dennett

I would buy it, Yan, but I can't really be bothered. However, your expansion elucidates sufficiently! This "inevitable" thing... also stolen from The Matrix, perhaps? "Hear that, Mr Anderson? It's the sound... of inevitability." I dunno, these scientists... fst {{{_"P"_}}} ... What is "The Art of Tea"? ... (www.pepsoid.wordpress.com - latest... Review of "Casino Royale")

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