Faithless

By Chinobus

Fri, 03 May 2013
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These torrential drops of corrupted tears,
break the rugged cross of some loathsome hymn,
spat back from Hell with more than a pound of flesh,
collected within the shaded alcove beside numerous atrocities,
my atheist motif grants what religion had condemned hidden,
beautiful arts of the stars and sea now revealed unto me,
seeking a truth more refined than brazen castor brass,
a river of life which source can never be purged dry,
providing my idle mind an expansive library of curiosity,
held aback by the thriving reflex and contrast of dimensions,
possibilities cannot retain thickened walls when your faithless.

Certificate PG
Poem
Poetry
Opinion

Comments

Submitted by a102866 on
Remember humans only utilize a small percentage of their brain's capacity. If you can grasp infinity with an imperfect, finite mind, then it would be a miracle. But, I forgot, you do not believe in the supernatural! The limitations of the human body and mind prove that there are greater cosmic forces. You believe in only what your mind can receive, but an imperfect mind cannot conceptively rationalize an area or being beyond time and space, but through perception and, or faith we understand that we are only a small cog in a complex universe. Believers acknowledge that the tangible is corruptible and finite. What liberation or satisfaction is there in dwelling on inconsequential, naturally-corruptible processes? There is no means to the end if the end is the end. The force creating the natural laws, processes has much more utility.

Submitted by Chinobus on
Fiddlewaggen, this alleged God is nothing more than a construct of the human psyche who, if I dare say, is nothing more than a bratty child who kills anyone and everything that exists who piss "him" off. You say near death experience; I say its a chemicle substance in the brain called DMT. You say Jesus; I say the Egyptian deity Osiris. You beleive in blind faith; I attest to rationality based on pure evidence. However these claims are not directed towards one religion, but as a whole. God is only as relevant and illusionary as time itself. To prove this point walk in to your local church and piss on the alter. If you manage to survive a week after this incident without being struck down by lightning do not be surprised. Faith may be a useful guide if not a necessity to those who cannot stand the horrors of absolute truth. Still you cannot deny that religion is mostly used to minipulate and control mass amounts of people for the sole purpose of conformity through distorted perceptions and heinous violence. I think it is a blessing human beings do not use a majority of their brain capacity since life is more amusing and filled with unquestionable wonders waiting to be discovered. Class dismissed. - Chinobus -

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Submitted by scratch on
I used to be an atheist. I realised that the atheistic standpoint was as irrational of that of the true Believer. Neither is provable one way or the other.

 

Submitted by a102866 on
You still avoid the point. You talk about rational human thinking. Humans are not the smartest persons in the universe. A so-called genius uses maybe five percent of his brain capacity. Do you really think that rational human psyches can bridge the gap to the divine through inadequate, insignifigant, and far from perfect knowledge. I dont think so my friend! You criticize the concept, being of God, yet as Descart correctly postulated a very inferior creature, which humans are, presuposes a higher order/being. I believe in God by faith, but as the great medieval philosophers postulated and theorized there is a deep rationale for a higher being. You believe the puny, imperfect human mind holds the key to freedom and salvation. You talk about religious wars, but, I dare say, most soldiers, civilians were killed in secular wars for what was contemporarily deemed rational reasons. Take the lowest of the animals. Could you imagine animals living in the earth/world by themselves without a higher order, humans. For what purpose?Now imagine the huge gap between humans and a higher being/order. Not a stretch is it? Animals without reason, humans with imperfect, finite reason, and a perfect being with great reasoning capacity. Do not put your faith in the inadequate, imperfect human intellect. We use less than 5% of our brain capacities, because we are corrupted, finite beings.

Submitted by Chinobus on
Still provides no absolute reasoning or proof either way the arguement goes about it. Scratch seems to be the only one who understands the futile nature of such idiocracy. My hats off to you for that outstanding statement scratch. Still the religous doctrines ignore the two basic principles of existance: time and matter. Heres an example. Lets say if there is a god out there who retains omnipotence and omnipresence. Hence he/she is capable of not only excelling the speed of light but also the speed of dark/anti-matter. Therefore by traveling at the speed of light you travel forward in time while traveling at the speed of dark you travel backwards thus unleashing a massive paradox continuum where existence is constantly created and destroyed simultaneously. Like holding a bomb in the palm of your hand, dropping it, and it ends up back in your hand. Your going to be blown up either way. If such were the case human beings would cease to exist from an intersteller quantum entaglement. We only exist on this irrelevent Earth for reasons we can never fully know or comprehend. However we are capable of grasping "a" concept of time and space itself hence we are not like animals at all. In my opinion human beings are accidental organisms that selectively advanced via adaption, consumption, and conquest. An incurable virus if you will. Technically we never evolved, but are naturally born with an amoeba complex to consume all life. - Chinobus -

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Submitted by a102866 on
Chinobus you use a very weak, human intellect to try and figure out things that our finite, inhibited bodies/minds cannot conceive or perceive. When did time begin? Did such a well-delineated, structure start itself. Would not a being greater than and spiritually complex have to create time? A spirit would have to create time. God is a spirit. Somebody bound by the physical limitations of time and space could not create them. And, surely, you do not believe this structural framework popped up out of nothing. Who is more rational here. Use some logic. An inferior being would not create an superior being. A superior being would create an inferior being. And something would not spring out of nothing. That leaves GOD.

Submitted by a102866 on
How did innanimate matter turn into annimate matter? It defies all of your rational natural laws. It is impossible and has never happened. The first living protozoa could not get the breath of life from a big bang. Blow something up innanimate up and wait a million years; the pieces will never come to life. Going back further, did the first something come from nothing. You cannot see or hear this answer with your rational mind, but only a fool would presuppose it did. A higher being, God created the first speck of matter and you know it. Man did not do it, and it did not evolve out of nothing. An atheist is not a true believer. He is a person that intentionally and irrationally denies an originating deity.

Submitted by Chinobus on
Then what is your explanation on nuclear radiation and how certain species such as horseshoe crabs and cockroaches survive such enviormental hazards? Curious, please continue. - Chinobus -

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Submitted by a102866 on
We are not talking about surviving environmental hazzards. We are talking about innanimate matter magically transforming itself into living, matter. It is against all of the natures laws! Respond!

Submitted by scratch on
God exists..... God does not exist.... Both standpoints are those of the irrational and the delusional.

 

Submitted by a102866 on
Chinobus do you think that the person who created time, space, and natural laws is not above them. These are created things. If you create a sculpture out of nothing but raw materials, are not you far superior to it. Are you bound by the immobility and lack of hearing, seeing by that statue? You are talking, similarly, about a far superior being creating things out of proverbial putty. You can rationalize the unbelievable gap between non-reasoning animals and reasoning humans, but you cant rationalize the gap between a perfect creator and his much inferior creations (annimate and innanimate).

Submitted by scratch on
I think I did.....

 

Submitted by a102866 on
Good dialogue, scratch! A well-thought out debate clarifies a person's beliefs, convictions. If you have any more comments, I will graciously receive them.

Submitted by scratch on
I refer you to my previous but one comment.

 

Submitted by scratch on
Like I said....

 

Submitted by littleditty on
liked the read Chinobus - is that a typo, end line. your/you're - i like the end line -I liked there are no masculine certainty end rhymes in your poem and the idea in the end line for me is interesting re doubt and faith, and towers, and falling towers - faith, walls, possibilities, doubt, faith, walls - good read :)

 

Submitted by Chinobus on
Scratch is right, both sides are pure disolussionment. I used radiation theory to combat your beleif that organic matter can come from inorganic matter. Nuclear radiation is a substance compsed of ionized molecules responsible for mutations and cellular anomolies and regeneration. Like the black and browm moths near Charnoyble. If god is composed of a similiar substance then it is more dangerous and uncontrolled than any desease or element in existance. Time is relevant, not created my friend. As a matter of fact we did not know how to measure time correctly up until the Greecian sundials rose to prominence. Also, if we were in Gallieos time period I am sure your limited understanding would side with the planets revolving around the earth. Of course you would be deftly wrong. - Chinobus -

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Submitted by a102866 on
If time is relevant, then when did it begin and is there an ending. If time has always been, then there could be no rational beginning or end. It began in the beginning.

Submitted by Chinobus on
To end this debate, look up the babel fish argument from Douglas Adams "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy". Sometimes the best logic is found in the imagination of question. - Chinobus -

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Submitted by scratch on
Nice debate chino'. No more from me on this.

 

Submitted by Chinobus on
Same here scratch. This was perhaps the best conversation one can find on such an audacious topic. Thank you all writing friends and a big round of applause for participating. - Chinobus -

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Submitted by a102866 on
Nuclear radiation can re-atomize already living things. It cannot initiate life out of nothing or innanimate matter. The moths were not produced by nuclear radiation. They were altered in composition. Lets go back to the quintessential beginning if you believe, which I certainly do not, that innanimate matter came through a big bang or through nuclear fission, then how did those atomized particles get there. Did the first bit of matter create itself? You cannot and will not answer this question. You know, in the beginning pre-supposes a creator. The human mind can logically rationalize its level/state of being , and that finite mind can rationalize a superior inteligence creating it Descarte). It is stunning, but simple, logic. A mind cannot logically hardwire itself or accidentally come into being. A superior knowledge had to create it. Even if you could logically argue that a body formed from evolving, innanimate matter, which it did not, you can never argue that the metaphysical state of being, awareness came from evolution. You cannot measure/correlate the mind with with physical matter. Tell me how the physical mind squares reality, being with physical matter. Only by conceptualizing a higher intelligence can it justify the awareness of the state of being.

Submitted by Chinobus on

"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
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